Nyarlathotep333
Warrior
283 Posts
    
Alaska
 | | 07/24/2008 4:43 PM |
| I posted this over on Hordelings & thought I'd ask over here as well.
Does anyone know of a good brand of brush on matte finish? I've just about had it with the spray sealer I've been using. I sometimes get a frosted look, which seems to happen most often when it's raining out so I'm assuming it's due to humidity.
Anyone recommendations as to what kind of brush on matte sealer is good & what online stores sell it?
On the subject, how do you seal/protect your minis? Gloss, matte, dullcoate? Multiple coats? Spray on or brush on?
I have been using Armory Matte Spray Sealer - two or three coats for sealing my minis. If I need shiny areas I use GW 'Ardcoat and paint those areas on once the sealer is dry.
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kestrel.ca
Underboss
1679 Posts
| | 07/24/2008 6:05 PM |
| I had the same problem with Armory's Matte Sealer and have stopped using it. It might have been humidity, or lack of shaking. Whatever, I stopped.
I currently use one coat of Purity Seal (for protection) and then 1-3 coats of Testor's Dullcote for a matte finish. Both are in spray form. When I need to spot seal, I have gloss, satin, and matte finishes that I can brush on, from both GW and Vallejo. 'Ard Coat would work fine instead of Purity Seal as well for protection. Unfortunately for your needs, I manage to get all my materials from my FLGS. Except for the most recent batch, I've been pretty happy with the Purity Seal/Dullcote combination. My last set though hasn't gone matte enough yet. I think one can was running out and I may need another coat before it becomes the matte surface I'd like it to be.
Good luck with your sealer search. | |
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Warlord
10863 Posts
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| | 07/24/2008 6:38 PM |
| I use Krylon Matte sealer, I never have an issue with it unless it's really old. Regarding Armory spray paints and varnishes.... I've never had good results with them.
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zenthrus
Commander
4908 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 07/24/2008 9:29 PM |
| Testors' Dullcote gives consistent quality finishes every time I've used it. As far as I've seen it's only available as a spray.
Reaper's MSP Brush On Sealer is a very good choice for a brush-on sealer.
Liquitex also puts out a very good brush-on sealer.
My minis see minimal wear/tear so normally I let them dry for at least 24 hours after painting then seal with 2-3 coats of Testors'. If it's a commission piece or something that might get handled a lot more I'll play it safe and do a light gloss coat (for durability) followed by 2-3 coats of Testors'.
I've heard that Testors' can yellow with age but I haven't seen any evidence of that happening with my minis. | |
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RedSkullz
Warrior
258 Posts
Northern Ontario
| | 07/25/2008 8:59 PM |
| | I like using testors dulcote....i have also had great results from a product you can buy in the craft department in walmart...its a flat acrylic sealer, i'll get the company name once i get home from the inlaws. They also have a gloss coat. Just a forewarning, the flat sealer has a bit of sheen. (check out my Chainmail Gnoll Ranger in the crafters corner if you want to see how much shine/sheen it has) Its not truely a flat laquer, but good results and widely available in north america. | | | |
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Nyarlathotep333
Warrior
283 Posts
Alaska
| | 07/26/2008 3:09 AM |
| Thanks for all the great responses everyone.
I'm going to try picking up the Testors Dullcoat, but we just got a Wallmart in our area so I'll probably look for your recommendation too RedSkullz. I don't mind experimenting a bit currently. I'm truly getting put-off by the ARmory stuff.
Anyone know if the Reaper Brush On Sealer is gloss or matte?
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zenthrus
Commander
4908 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 07/27/2008 3:36 PM |
| Posted By Nyarlathotep333 on 07/26/2008 3:09 AM
Anyone know if the Reaper Brush On Sealer is gloss or matte?
Pretty sure it only comes in Matte finish
Reaper Master Series Brush-on Sealer
From what I've seen most people use Liquitex Gloss Brush-on Varnish for the base coats then Reaper MSP Brush-on sealer for the matte.
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Dravid
Skirmisher
3 Posts
| | 09/15/2008 8:41 AM |
| I've recently painted some Wizard's minis (dwarfs into duergar). When I sprayed the sealer on them, they got very sticky.
Should I not spray sealer on the DDM's | | | |
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RedSkullz
Warrior
258 Posts
Northern Ontario
| | 09/15/2008 9:29 AM |
| | What kind of sealer are you using dravid What brand of paint | | | |
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Dravid
Skirmisher
3 Posts
| | 09/15/2008 10:57 AM |
| Apple Barrel acrylic paint. Testor's matte finish.
It's the same combo I've used on Reaper Minis and Mage Knight figures in the past with no problem. But with DDM they got sticky. Even the base which I did not paint.
Maybe the finish is too old | | | |
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RedSkullz
Warrior
258 Posts
Northern Ontario
| | 09/15/2008 4:44 PM |
| | Interesting...i would definitely get a different can...it would be very odd for testors to react with an acrylic paint. | | | |
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rob_bda_man
Skirmisher
16 Posts
| | 09/15/2008 5:49 PM |
| | You never want to spray sealer on the bases of DDM, they will get gooey. Also this is where Apple Barrel's quality can be a problem, it doesn't stand up as well to a lot of sealers. I prefer the brush on Testors for the minis themselves but use a light coat of spray over them so I don't have to worry about brushing too hard. Still if it is an old can I'd get a newer one to make sure, if it has thickened inside the can it will come out like glue. | |
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RedSkullz
Warrior
258 Posts
Northern Ontario
| | 09/15/2008 10:28 PM |
| | Interesting...i did not know that about ddm bases.(generally i only paint pewter figures like chainmail, warhammer, reaper ect) | | | |
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Halidan
Skirmisher
17 Posts
Lansing, MI
| | 09/16/2008 7:14 AM |
| I use Testors Dullcote for nearly all of my gaming figures, and I've also noticed that Testors does remain sticky/tacky whe sprayed on certain soft plastics - like DDM figures and some flexible toys animals. Testor's works fine on styrene plastics and figures like MageKnight or Clix - it's only soft, bendible plastics like the DDM figures that causes a problem.
Doesn't matter wether you've painted the figure or not. The overcoat goes on tacky and never firms up. I have figures that were painted 3+ years ago that still are tacky to the touch.
My solution is to use a different spray overcoat. Since I like Krylon for durability, that's what I usually use on the plastics that Testors doesn't work well on.
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Dravid
Skirmisher
3 Posts
| | 09/16/2008 7:36 AM |
| | Good advice. Thanks to everyone for the replies! | | | |
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zenthrus
Commander
4908 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 09/21/2008 9:21 AM |
| I have a feeling that the stickiness people are getting from Testors has a lot to do with relative humidity.
In the desert Testors goes onto DDM just fine and doesn't cause any stickiness. | |
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