Wolfgang
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Wolfgang
Commander
3905 Posts
Milton, Ontario Canada
| | 07/24/2008 8:38 AM |
| | i have to say that wardrums was by far the worst set ever i had NO intrest in it at all | |
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Shottglazz
Underboss
1040 Posts
Quinte West, Ontario, Canada
| | 07/24/2008 8:41 AM |
| | I know I'll get flak for this, but I chose Harbinger. The sculpts are awful, the proportions on weapons ridiculous, and the colours are ones that my 10yr old would have chosen. I have one HB kuo-toa and a few hell hounds and hyenas, and am satisfied not owning any other HB models... | |
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Warlord
5671 Posts
| | 07/24/2008 8:46 AM |
| Posted By Wolfgang on 07/24/2008 8:38 AM
i have to say that wardrums was by far the worst set ever i had NO intrest in it at all
Dude, you're crazy! It has some great sculpts in it, plus the only Uc giant we have and a nice selection of generic/RPG standard commons. It's far from best, but it's also far from worse. | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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Wolfgang
Commander
3905 Posts
Milton, Ontario Canada
| | 07/24/2008 8:54 AM |
| Posted By Wolfgang on 07/24/2008 8:38 AM
i have to say that wardrums was by far the worst set ever i had NO intrest in it at all
Dude, you're crazy! It has some great sculpts in it, plus the only Uc giant we have and a nice selection of generic/RPG standard commons. It's far from best, but it's also far from worse.
wasn't the fromonian from gol an UC?
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paladin72
Sneak
91 Posts
| | 07/24/2008 9:00 AM |
| Before the last couple of sets I would have went with Wardrums, but at least it had a dozen or so figures I use regularly. The paint jobs are what really hurt that set.
It is a close run between AtG, and DuoDr. I flipped a coin and AtG won. | |
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Warlord
5671 Posts
| | 07/24/2008 9:01 AM |
| Posted By Wolfgang on 07/24/2008 8:54 AM Posted By Wolfgang on 07/24/2008 8:38 AM
i have to say that wardrums was by far the worst set ever i had NO intrest in it at all
Dude, you're crazy! It has some great sculpts in it, plus the only Uc giant we have and a nice selection of generic/RPG standard commons. It's far from best, but it's also far from worse. wasn't the fromonian from gol an UC?
Technically, yes it is. But when people say Uc giants, I am pretty sure they mean the large and not huge variety. But, oh well. | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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Wolfgang
Commander
3905 Posts
Milton, Ontario Canada
| | 07/24/2008 9:05 AM |
| | and how about the ogre skirisher from WOTDQ he is a giant | |
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Sneak
92 Posts
| | 07/24/2008 9:19 AM |
| | After the last "Dread" set, I did not think that the overall selection of miniatures in a set could get any worse---and then came Against the Giants---did someone just open to a random page of the 4e MM??!?!?!?!??! | |
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Warlord
5671 Posts
| | 07/24/2008 9:32 AM |
| Posted By Wolfgang on 07/24/2008 9:05 AM
and how about the ogre skirisher from WOTDQ he is a giant They are the giant type, but when I say giant (like most other people NOT being technical  ), I mean hill giant, frost giant, fire giant, etc (large giants). If we did giant type for Uc/C then there is the Skullcrusher Ogre, Troll Slasher, Forest Troll (yup, I believe it has giant as its type), cloud giant (huge, not large), Taer, Half-Ogre Barbarian, Mountain Troll, and Ogre Skirmisher. But anyway, it's ok if you think WD is the worst set. I'm sure if there are any 'worst' sets because they all have pluses as far as I am concerned.
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Originally posted by Schooly_D
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OhGodtheRats
174 Posts
| | 07/24/2008 10:09 AM |
| | It almost seems unfair to vote for the latest set. I remember when Desert of Desolation came out, then DoDung...isn't the latest set always the worst by default? | | | |
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Warlord
7507 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 07/24/2008 10:12 AM |
| I voted Aberrations,. Too many rare humanoids for my tatse, not much good about it.
I have a soft spot for Sardrums, because that was the second prerelease I won, and I did so with crappy pulls (Double Warduke)
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zenthrus
Commander
4909 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 07/24/2008 10:13 AM |
| Posted By Wolfgang on 07/24/2008 9:05 AM
and how about the ogre skirisher from WOTDQ he is a giant "he" has breasts
Oh, and I'd agree that Harbinger is the worst set ever. Good selection of critters but by far the overall worst sculpts (did any humanoid have a discernable face?) and worst color palette.
At least with the more recent sets I can paint over the hideous paint jobs and they usually have decent sculpts. Repainting Harbinger minis is usually just kind of painful.
My one caveat is that the Bearded Devil is still the most awesome sculpt ever in the DDM line 
And, in fairness, Harbinger was the first shot. New product, new technology (injection molding rather than casting) for the company, and probably production artists who weren't sure what they could do with the medium.
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greyhaze
Warlord
6039 Posts
| | 07/24/2008 10:23 AM |
| | There were some bad sculpts in Harbinger, but it had a great deal of awesome stuff. AtG gets my vote, easily. | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3731 Posts
West Virginia
| | 07/24/2008 11:08 AM |
| This is a close one for me. I have long hated Harbinger, but am also torn between DuD and AtG. Ultimately I think I've got to vote for AtG. This is the 16th set of miniatures and it looks worse than stuff we were getting years ago and it also proves pretty well that no one is really listening to what we want made.
To OhGodtheRats: That's not always been the case. When Underdark, Blood War and Night Below came out none were bashed like this. I did bash UH unmercifully, but after the past 3 sets, it's not looking quite so bad to me. | |
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Mjollnir
Underboss
1456 Posts
Canary Islands - Spain
| | 07/24/2008 11:45 AM |
| | No doubt for me: Aberrations | |
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Mjollnir
Underboss
1456 Posts
Canary Islands - Spain
| | 07/24/2008 11:48 AM |
| Posted By Username on 07/24/2008 8:46 AM Posted By Wolfgang on 07/24/2008 8:38 AM
i have to say that wardrums was by far the worst set ever i had NO intrest in it at all Dude, you're crazy! It has some great sculpts in it, plus the only Uc giant we have and a nice selection of generic/RPG standard commons. It's far from best, but it's also far from worse.
Absolutely agree.
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Warlord
7507 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 07/24/2008 11:56 AM |
| Posted By Wraithborne on 07/24/2008 11:08 AM
This is a close one for me. I have long hated Harbinger, but am also torn between DuD and AtG. Ultimately I think I've got to vote for AtG. This is the 16th set of miniatures and it looks worse than stuff we were getting years ago and it also proves pretty well that no one is really listening to what we want made.
To OhGodtheRats: That's not always been the case. When Underdark, Blood War and Night Below came out none were bashed like this. I did bash UH unmercifully, but after the past 3 sets, it's not looking quite so bad to me.
UD, BW, and NB, the golden age of minis.
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Warlord
5671 Posts
| | 07/24/2008 12:03 PM |
| Posted By Wraithborne on 07/24/2008 11:08 AM
I did bash UH unmercifully, but after the past 3 sets, it's not looking quite so bad to me.
Now seriously, that is my favorite set. You have to be on the wrong side of the mentally disabled line to not like that set.
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Originally posted by Schooly_D
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Warlord
5671 Posts
| | 07/24/2008 12:06 PM |
| | Aberrations, worst set?! Pfffttt For the longest time I considered that the best RPG set! Sure nothing is super awesome, but that set has some quality sculpts to it, good paint jobs, and someone could probably run an entire adventure with just those minis. | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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Warlord
5671 Posts
| | 07/24/2008 12:08 PM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 07/24/2008 11:56 AM BW, UH, and NB, the golden age of minis.
Fixed. UD is a great set (it's in the top 5 for me) but I wouldn't consider it an Age since it is 2 sets away from BW while the 3 listed are successive. | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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Arandae
Sergeant
706 Posts
UK
| | 07/24/2008 12:46 PM |
| I'm shocked at the hate for Harbinger. Perhaps it's partly a skirmish vs. RPG thing?
The scultps aren't great in Harbinger, but I'm still using the minis in RPG, because they're ... useful. I'd rather that than pretty looking sculpts that sit on the shelf gathering dust.
I voted AtG. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1887 Posts
Portland OR
| | 07/24/2008 1:13 PM |
| Abberations if we're talking how much goodness COULD have come from it...
All-stars if we're talking about biggest disapointment. | |
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1499 Posts
Spain
| | 07/24/2008 1:15 PM |
| First: I cannot understand those who have voted harbinger.Men,it is the best set ever!
Second: Dungeons Dread as the worst set ever without any doubt.My reasons:
1- Absolutely useless in skirmish play.
2-Tons of resculpts.
3-Poor paintjob.
4-Awful new desing of certain creatures (the troglodyte is...). | |
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Nyarlathotep333
Warrior
283 Posts
Alaska
| | 07/24/2008 1:38 PM |
| I personally wouldn't rate Harbinger high on my list of top sets, but it has some nice useful minis. It's certainly not my biggest dissapointment (aside from how hard it is to acquire them).
AtG has been largely dissapointing to me. There are a few nice sculpts, but many others that are not so nice. Same with the paint...it seems to me (from what I've seen in-hand so far) that there is more bad than good in either category though. A good example is one of the first rares I pulled; the Storm Giant...talk about a depressing rare to pull! He's the poster child for bad minis from what I've seen so far imho. his hammer has one side that is bent - and I don't mean fix it with hot water bent, it's more like a 'this is the way it was cast' bent. His teeth, mouth & eyes, are painted the same flat blue color as his skin. A simple dunk in a black wash would have been preferrable to what I pulled. I also have pulled a Golden Wyvern Initiate with eyes; both whites and pupils, lips, and a wash that brought out detail in the clothing...a smaller, uncommon mini with better paint detail than the large sized rare. WTF??? If anything, they need to make the rares higher quality. When I pull nice commons and uncommons yet my rare is horrid it makes me feel like I wasted my money. I'm done with boosters/cases from this set. I probably only purchased a quarter of what I usually get. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
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Pedro
Commander
3922 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 07/24/2008 1:47 PM |
| Wardrums...what a lousy set. Very few nice pieces, bad sculpts and paintjobs...and a sucky starter.
I did not live in the old deathknell days of yore, so I can't judge those sets.
Biggest disappointment? All-ShiStars. | |
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paladin72
Sneak
91 Posts
| | 07/24/2008 2:44 PM |
| I'll have to echo the sentiments about the All Stars being the biggest disappointment.
I think WotC missed their last golden opportunity to rebuild quite a few bridges with the older players. | |
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Wolfgang
Commander
3905 Posts
Milton, Ontario Canada
| | 07/24/2008 2:50 PM |
| | all stars are not a set | |
Proud member since March 26 2005
Champion of the SIVAK DRACONIAN
Joke champion of the epic sage!
Demonweb called shot - Sivak Draconian
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paladin72
Sneak
91 Posts
| | 07/24/2008 3:05 PM |
| Posted By Wolfgang on 07/24/2008 2:50 PM
all stars are not a set According to WotC it is "The 2008 D&D Miniatures All Star Set".
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Kevizoid
Sergeant
373 Posts
Southern California
| | 07/24/2008 3:50 PM |
| Voted Harbinger just because it was the worst stat wise, even though they didn't know how they were costing figs and didn't what was/wasn't good.
and lawlz @ ranged pieces being so overcosted because they didn't know how powerful LOS stuff would be. | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3905 Posts
Adelaide
| | 07/24/2008 3:51 PM |
| Posted By paladin72 on 07/24/2008 2:44 PM
I'll have to echo the sentiments about the All Stars being the biggest disappointment.
I think WotC missed their last golden opportunity to rebuild quite a few bridges with the older players.
Agreed.
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I liked wardrums despite the poor paint. The new rules, the starter with maps, and much of the figures I really liked.
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vanrulzz
Commander
2505 Posts
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| | 07/24/2008 4:07 PM |
| | Wardrums sucks goat turds | | | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3905 Posts
Adelaide
| | 07/24/2008 4:14 PM |
| Posted By vanrulzz on 07/24/2008 4:07 PM
Wardrums sucks goat turds
You say that like a bad thing :| | |
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Nyarlathotep333
Warrior
283 Posts
Alaska
| | 07/24/2008 4:53 PM |
| | Anyone notice that the three most hated sets (Harbinger, War Drums, and AtG) have 6 sets in between each of them that didn't get many votes - or at least they seem to be generally accepted as decent sets judging by the comments about them (or lack thereof). Hopefully this is a trend and we're due for 6 more decent sets of minis in the future. | |
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Turboman
Warrior
212 Posts
| | 07/24/2008 5:12 PM |
| Had to go with War of the Dragon Queen. What was there like 4 pieces for normal skirmish to play? Too many stupid and ugly spawns of Tiamat. I bought so few minis from that set.
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Cthulhufnord
Warlord
10865 Posts
Umass Amherst Baby!
| | 07/24/2008 6:14 PM |
| I'd have to go with Dungeons of Dread. sure it introduced the new rules set..... but it had some realy fugly re-sculpts.
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greyhaze
Warlord
6039 Posts
| | 07/24/2008 6:27 PM |
| Posted By paladin72 on 07/24/2008 3:05 PM Posted By Wolfgang on 07/24/2008 2:50 PM
all stars are not a set According to WotC it is "The 2008 D&D Miniatures All Star Set".
I believe he means a traditional set, where new minis are actually released with wotc's stamp on the bottom in to the world. | |
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paladin72
Sneak
91 Posts
| | 07/24/2008 6:53 PM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 07/24/2008 6:27 PM Posted By paladin72 on 07/24/2008 3:05 PM Posted By Wolfgang on 07/24/2008 2:50 PM
all stars are not a set According to WotC it is "The 2008 D&D Miniatures All Star Set". I believe he means a traditional set, where new minis are actually released with wotc's stamp on the bottom in to the world.
:) I know what he meant. Maybe I should have put a smiley on it.
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portermj
Warrior
326 Posts
| | 07/24/2008 7:21 PM |
| I voted for Archfiends. I wasn't that interested in the Aspects. I didn't like the Clay Golem or the Unicorn. There were a number of other little things that bugged me in the set like odd monster choices and figures that couldn't stand up. Not to mention the Vrock's base problem.
Close to behind would be Dungeons of Dread. If the quality of sets are supposed to have an upwards trendline then DoD 2 is pretty far below what you would expect. | |
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