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Wolfgang
Commander
3751 Posts
    
Milton, Ontario Canada
 | | 07/03/2008 8:50 AM |
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Champion of the SIVAK DRACONIAN
Joke champion of the epic sage!
Demonweb called shot - Sivak Draconian
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Wolfgang
Commander
3751 Posts
Milton, Ontario Canada
| | 07/03/2008 8:51 AM |
| | I thought is was good for the most part so i gave it a B+ | |
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Champion of the SIVAK DRACONIAN
Joke champion of the epic sage!
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TheChuck
Warrior
333 Posts
Mississippi, USA
| | 07/03/2008 9:02 AM |
| | B. Not a fan of all the resculpts, and by the gallery it doesn't look like there are as many stand out minis as there were in Dungeons of Dread. | |
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Warlord
5658 Posts
| | 07/03/2008 9:06 AM |
| | Bad paint jobs, poor huge selection and a lack of giants gives this set a C+. | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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Wraithborne
Commander
3712 Posts
West Virginia
| | 07/03/2008 9:35 AM |
| I gave it an F. There is so little that I want in this set that it's not worth the effort to buy singles.
2 Huges (1 R, I U) and only 2 normal rares and a few C/U. There were more minis that I might've been interested in on name alone, but the paint/sculpts were terrible. The Huges were lame, the rares were crappy and a lot of the C/U were as well.
And please, enough with the shiny paint already. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
5991 Posts
| | 07/03/2008 10:04 AM |
| C- Paint jobs, remakes, choices I would have made different, but to each their own. There are a few pieces I really like; bugbear, goblin, skullcleave, gwi, fisto, efreeti, yad, devourer, but the rest I can find something to complain about without effort.
I actually went through and scored it using an actual grading system, piece-by-piece. The set got 48%. So, it gets a fail from me. F. | |
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Called Shots: Frost Giant in Demon Web, Darkenbeast in Feywild. | |
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yack
Commander
3184 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 07/03/2008 10:10 AM |
| I gave a D-
Too many resculpts, paint jobs are blah like WD and not enough classic monsters that have not been done yet and poor choices of huges.
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dragoninthemist
Skirmisher
4 Posts
| | 07/03/2008 10:18 AM |
| c-
I was really bummed with this set. Its seems as though WotC isn't even trying with their minis any more...
What really sealed the deal for me was the stupid Owlbear.
So in Bloodwar you've got this:
And then AtG, you get this:
Which honestly looks liike a harry turd with arms.
Its a total bummer, A lumpy thing with a beak and two bendy arms with no joints, and shaggy fur doesn't qualify as a good monster! Especially a rare at that!
With miniatures for a new edition, I would expect WotC to hold them selves to a higher standard, to show how cool their new stuff is, not...well...drop the ball. What I'd like to see is that any sculpture doing a resculpt is given the old mini and told "You need to make it look at least this good."
A lot of these sculpts seem just...lazy. Like their sculptors didn't even try. And I know how it is, because I've sculpted in green stuff, and made my own minis, and really, its not *that* hard if you know what you are doing. And at the very least, WotC should be hiring someone who knows what they are doing.
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Shottglazz
Underboss
1016 Posts
Quinte West, Ontario, Canada
| | 07/03/2008 10:31 AM |
| | C+....too many resculpts or niche pieces...meh rares...in fact there's only 2 rares I'd consider getting - the other half dozen sculpts are c/uc...very blah | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
5991 Posts
| | 07/03/2008 10:36 AM |
| Just looking over the set, it looks like more of an undead set than a giant set. We've got 2 giants (+3 titans), not including "giant" animals like dire rats or "tiny" bears.
We have; deathpriest, degenerate, zombie, ghoul, wraith, doresain, boneclaw, devourer, blazer, death titan, blackroot, maybe I'm just imagining it... | |
Greyhaze's DDM Spoilers
Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60,
Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
Called Shots: Frost Giant in Demon Web, Darkenbeast in Feywild. | |
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Donald
Skirmisher
30 Posts
| | 07/03/2008 10:56 AM |
| | C-
Figures:bad paint jobs, meh scultps and poses.
Selection: bad chocies. The carrion crawler is the worst idea I can remeber, and there so many better choice for huges than what they picked. Too many recent redos and PC figures for the set. I can understand why they made so many PCs, but I don't need them for skirmish.
Skirmish value:Low. Unless they make epic a supported format the huges will sit in a box. Most of the figures are 45-60 points, you'd only need one or two for a 200 point game and all but two of the rares aren't worth using. 3pt rat and the Lurking Wraith seem usable though.
Should have said "D", I guess. I'm doing pretty much all singles on this one. | | | |
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Falrinth
Skirmisher
14 Posts
| | 07/03/2008 11:19 AM |
| I was disappointed with this set from my RPG view point.I had high hopes of getting another uncommon giant and that fell through.I feel that a lot of the small rare figs just don’t seem like they are worthy of being a rare.In fact some of the uncommons to me seem like they would make better rares.There are several awesome figs like (Elder White Dragon, Shocktroop Devil, Bugbear Lancebreaker) but there are some equally not very good figs (Furious Owlbear, Yuan-ti Anathema, Enormous Carrion Crawler, Cave Bear).Plus to many repeats that are not as good as the original mini in a previous set. When I look back on the War of the Dragon Queen gallery it seems like the quality and selection was a lot better.I feel like when I open a booster of AtG that I will be disappointed with 50% of the minis in it. With WotDQ I might be only disappointed with 10- 20%. | |
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Warlord
5658 Posts
| | 07/03/2008 12:38 PM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 07/03/2008 10:36 AM
Just looking over the set, it looks like more of an undead set than a giant set. We've got 2 giants (+3 titans), not including "giant" animals like dire rats or "tiny" bears.
We have; deathpriest, degenerate, zombie, ghoul, wraith, doresain, boneclaw, devourer, blazer, death titan, blackroot, maybe I'm just imagining it...
Don't forget the ECC (since it eats dead stuff and is mostly found around such).
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Originally posted by Schooly_D
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greyhaze
Warlord
5991 Posts
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zenthrus
Commander
4905 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 07/03/2008 2:00 PM |
| So, I have to go with a C (firmly average).
There are some pieces which I'm surprised how much I like (Angel of Retribution, Bugbear Lancebreaker, Elder White Dragon despite the severe overhang, Hobgoblin Guard, Lizardfolk Raider, Shock Troop Devil, and Thunderblast Cyclone).
Unfortunately, there are also a large number of questionable choices/odd resculpts (Boneclaw Impaler, Cave Bear, Chain Golem, Owlbear, Gelugon, and Adamantine Dragon).
My biggest beef with the set is definitely the large number of extremely cartoony (ummm...didn't anyone bother to check the art orders before they were finalized???) minis including the Blackroot Treant, Cave Bear (what a bizarre sculpt), Deathpriest of Orcus (not sure why he's wielding a phallic object), Degenerate Cultist (apparently degenerate means encephalitis), Elf Arcane Archer (this is why clear plastic was not readily embraced when first announced), Elder Red Dragon (straight outta Pokemon), Golden Wyvern Initiate (Aspect of Pink), Hellwasp (there are better sculpts available at craft stores), Shadow Hulk (sculpt is good, colors are just bizarre), and the Yuan-ti Anathema.
There are some seriously hideous color choices (Hellwasp, Golden Wyvern Initiate, Yuan-ti Anathema). There are also some seriously questionable color choices that will make for decent repaints (Enormous Carrion Crawler, Efreeti Flamestrider).
There's even a mini which is extremely cartoony in sculpt, cartoony in paint colors, but I really like it: The Roper.
Finally, there are some redeeming includes which I'm glad to see (Cockatrice, Thunderblast Cyclone [i.e. Huge Air Elemental], Storm Giant, Ochre Jelly [repaint city, here I come], Galeb Duhr, Gnaw Demon, Goblin Runner, Flamescorched Kobold, Earth Titan [i.e. Huge Earth Elemental], Fire Bat, Death Titan, Doresain, and the Guulvorg [although I'm not sure why it's wearing armor]).
I'm glad there are some PC-type minis (esp. dragonborn) but it just seems like there are a LOT of PC types (I suppose that's good for new players but I'm just about PC-mini-ed out).
I'm just flabbergasted that the paint selection and sculpt art order made it out as is. The colors on a pretty sizable number of minis seem geared to the 4=6 year old crowd and many of the sculpts scream Toys R' Us bargain bin. | |
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Kevizoid
Sergeant
373 Posts
Southern California
| | 07/03/2008 2:06 PM |
| A+ This set rocks. Skirmish stats are powerful, and went along way in helping diversify the game, and make skirmish much healthier.
Obviously I don't care about RPG.... | |
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Thailfi
Sergeant
955 Posts
| | 07/03/2008 2:22 PM |
| | I gave it a D. Based on the gallery the paint quality seems to be a big step down from the last set. I don't mind a few resculpts, but each one seems to be worse than the previous version. I usually base my decision to preorder a set on the % of figures that I want in my collection. My cut off is usually around 25% undesirable figures. This set comes in at over 50% undesirable. | |
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Rakhamon
Warrior
310 Posts
| | 07/03/2008 3:02 PM |
| I voted a D+. When I did my personal rundown over which figures excited me visually, I ended up with more negative than positives. That's kind of bad, but there's some gems that save it from being a total washout.
My main problem remains the paint and the "cartoon" sculpts. These are not new problems by any stretch, but they have now gone on for so many consecutive sets that they can only be intentional. No War Drums paint fluke here, this is Wizards intentionally skimping on paint apps.
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Nyarlathotep333
Warrior
283 Posts
Alaska
| | 07/03/2008 5:18 PM |
| | I gave it a B- because there are a few in this set I like...of course I do still reserve the right to change my mind once I see them in-hand since WoTC's camera/photoshop skills in their gallery pictures have been known to be very off from what the mini actually looks like. | |
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warchanter
Sergeant
355 Posts
Italy
| | 07/03/2008 7:30 PM |
| | F for me. It confirms the impression the spoilers gave me. I was going to buy a few singles, but now I'm really tempted to just forget they ever made this set... | |
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paladin72
Sneak
89 Posts
| | 07/03/2008 7:44 PM |
| D for don't believe I want very many of them.
45% is being generous. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
5991 Posts
| | 07/03/2008 8:01 PM |
| | I actually took the time to rate AtG piece-by-piece based on; paint, desirability, rarity, scale/overhang & sculpt. When all was said and done I came up with 48%, guess I was being generous with a C-. Now I'm wondering what I would have rated the other sets at. | |
Greyhaze's DDM Spoilers
Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60,
Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
Called Shots: Frost Giant in Demon Web, Darkenbeast in Feywild. | |
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xuthal
Sergeant
649 Posts
Boulder, CO
| | 07/03/2008 8:03 PM |
| C-. Too many resculpts that are poorer in quality than the previous ones. Too many crap paint jobs. This will be the first set since I started collecting two years ago for which I will forego cases in favor of select singles. I only want about 15-20% of the figures. Disappointing, to be sure.
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shazam01
Warrior
227 Posts
| | 07/03/2008 9:55 PM |
| I give it a B from general impression.
There is a good variety, I don't mind the resculpts because I don't frequently keep multiple rares
The scrutiny on the huges is high due to the fact they don't come out very often, certainly I would have picked for myself differently, but I'm happy with most of the rares & I don't strongly dislike any of the uncommons.
Here's to hoping I don't pull lots of humanoid rares from the boosters... | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
2716 Posts
| | 07/04/2008 12:15 AM |
| I gave it C, and even that's for it's DDM2 novelty factor. There's so little that is actually needed, few new nice pieces (Gnaw Demon!), and some reprints of old missing ones - which unfortunately have been fumbled. Just look at the paintjob of that Huge Red, I have no huge red and the paintjob almost makes me not want it! In addition to lack of paint layers, new glossy paint is terrible.
Doresain looks good in MM so I was curious to see what it looks like, but mini looks terrible in pictures. Priest of Orcus in turn looks great!
It's nice to have huge earth & air elementals, just too bad they need to be proxies. Maybe I'll get used to these new versions some day. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3839 Posts
USA
| | 07/04/2008 5:42 AM |
| I gave it a solid A.
A+ for skirmish. Meta changing pieces. Set really rocks.
A for RPG. Seems like a lot of good RPG pieces.
B+ for quality. Some of the paint jobs seem a little week.
I am looking forward to the Pre-Release and opening my first AtG boosters. Then getting a case or two. Then getting what I am missing via trades / buying singles.
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10353 Posts
United States
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XAos
Underboss
2388 Posts
London
| | 07/04/2008 7:31 AM |
| Posted By dragoninthemist on 07/03/2008 10:18 AM Which honestly looks liike a harry turd with arms.
About half a dozen figues look OK, which improved my vote from the F which the Owl bear deserves to a d-. | |
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Stumanchu
Sneak
68 Posts
Cen-Cal
| | 07/04/2008 8:40 AM |
| | Gave it an A plus. 60 more pieces to play with, experiment with, and talk about with my friends. | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3712 Posts
West Virginia
| | 07/04/2008 9:34 AM |
| Posted By XAos on 07/04/2008 7:31 AM Posted By dragoninthemist on 07/03/2008 10:18 AM Which honestly looks liike a harry turd with arms. I think your being generous, that hairball doesn't have arms. "Arms" have elbows, these sort of snake around like tentacles, the master must have been made from plastecine... About half a dozen figues look OK, which improved my vote from the F which the Owl bear deserves to a d-.
Hate that Owlbear. It looks like it had a gastric bypass and now has all this extra skin hanging on it.
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greyhaze
Warlord
5991 Posts
| | 07/04/2008 10:03 AM |
| | I kinda like the new owlbear, didn't feel we needed another one, but it's aright. | |
Greyhaze's DDM Spoilers
Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60,
Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
Called Shots: Frost Giant in Demon Web, Darkenbeast in Feywild. | |
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Arandae
Sergeant
699 Posts
UK
| | 07/04/2008 10:42 AM |
| I gave it an F.
This is from the perspective of an RPG-only buyer who has lots of minis already.
The D&D world is rich with many diverse and interesting creatures - many (and I mean many) of which have not yet been made. The resculpts hurt, but it's far worse than just that. The selection is dull.
It takes real effort to come up with this dull a selection - especially for the huges. No hydra, but lots of creatures that aren't in Monster Manual 1 in either 3e or 4e - and which look pathetic! I just can't believe how badly they chose these things. | |
Champion of the Bodak.Knight of the Aboleth.Squire of Gnomes. Friend of (Non-Ugly) Fey.
Called Shots- Blood War: Green Slaad (53/60), Night Below: Kuo-Toa Whip (55/60),
Demonweb: Aboleth, Feywild: Fire Beetle,
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Barry
Skirmisher
41 Posts
| | 07/04/2008 12:26 PM |
| Ill hold off rating the pieces until I actually see them in person. Ive found that to be much different than spoiler pics of them. If the stats are actually what the spoilers post, then ill be dissappointed. I think that Skullcleave is far too powerful comparatively to anything else in the set and that they will be all over the place at the champs.
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Almalik
Warrior
266 Posts
Vancouver-ish, Canada
| | 07/04/2008 1:34 PM |
| Don't like the new Owlbear, but I didn't like the rager either (abs? really?). Gimme the harbinger one. I am really disappointed in the number of PC rares in this set (considering the cost of individual boosters). I went back and looked at the WotDQ to compare, and while that set didn't get rave reviews either, it seems much better than this one.
edit: oh, C-. If I didn't have that stupid compulsive collector gene, I'd probably get by with picking up a couple of singles.
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Mandavar
Sneak
63 Posts
Germany
| | 07/04/2008 1:43 PM |
| D
- - - paint job
- - - remakes
- - - huges (only EWD is OK)
- - - 60 Minis, i need 5...
+ very few peaces i maybe want to try in skirmish
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Turboman
Warrior
212 Posts
| | 07/04/2008 2:27 PM |
| | Too many pieces look like something out of a bad Anime show. Pokeminis continues.... | |
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angelfiend
Sneak
84 Posts
| | 07/04/2008 2:43 PM |
| | This set is lame. Look at what percentage of votes have given it D's or F's. I gave it a D. And the hightest percentage is in the C's. I was so excited that it was a huge set, but this is awful. There are only 4 minis that I really want, maybe 10 that I would consider buying, and the rest suck royally. A new cartoony look, terrible sculpts on so many figures, crappy paint jobs, so many repeat figures, horrible huge selection = I don't buy minis anymore. I really think that some of the people approving these figures need to get some common sense smacked into them. Pathetic. Did I mention that this set blows chunks? The last set was sucky too. | |
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FriendlyAlienist
Sneak
100 Posts
Finland
| | 07/04/2008 3:05 PM |
| | Trailer Trash Owlbear: insert beer can in paw, white T-shirt and text "Goddamn woman, where's my sandwich" | |
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mazra
Sergeant
368 Posts
Canton, GA
| | 07/04/2008 7:38 PM |
| C- I am disappointed. Why call it after a classic Gygax module when so few minis could be used in it? No Frost Giant! No Hill Giant! A female Hill would have been a plus. Only the Elder Red And White are really stand outs.
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Rakhamon
Warrior
310 Posts
| | 07/05/2008 10:00 AM |
| Having now actually seen and handled the AtG minus, I can only say "worst paint ever". Well, tied with Harbinger and DUngeons of Dread. The owlbear has 3 paint apps on a rare, and the white isn't even applied thick enough so the black shines through and it's paws and claws are not painted at all!
In general this set skimps out, letting large unpainted black surfaces substitute painting. Paint is also extremely sloppily applied, features get no highlighting (like EYES)For a supposedly "prepainted" set, I find this unacceptable.
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