sage_raistlin
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| Anyone want to take a stab at how much this is going to cap at for price. Anyone think that Raistlin is going to give Drizzt a run for his money.
I can't wait to get this one (not that anyone would be able to guess that.) | |
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jgsugden
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| | 08/11/2006 10:54 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by sage_raistlin
Anyone want to take a stab at how much this is going to cap at for price. Anyone think that Raistlin is going to give Drizzt a run for his money.
I can't wait to get this one (not that anyone would be able to guess that.)
Drizzt is expensive for a few reasons... one of which is that there were relatively few of him produced as he was in an early set. Raistlin will be produced in far, far, far greater numbers. I expect him to be priced in the same mold as a slightly more expensive Elminster... He won't come close to the Drizzt territory... ever. | |
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| | 08/11/2006 10:59 AM |
| | I agree Raistlin is popular but not even close too the fanboys of Drizzt. | |
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| | 08/11/2006 11:09 AM |
| Which is a shame... Raistlin's such a better character than Drittz. Raistlin showed what the real power and ambition of a mage can be... Drittz is boring and bland.
Rob
PS: Can't wait to see the Epic card for Raistlin... he'd have to be LE, right? There are no serious spellcasters in CE, are there? | |
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| | 08/11/2006 11:11 AM |
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Sulaco
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1605 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 11:13 AM |
| | Not a chance. He is nowhere near as popular a character and there are going to be far more copies of it made than there were of Drizzt. He'll likley be no more valuable than any other average rare. The main deciding factor will be how useful he is in skirmish. | |
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Lab Monkey
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4136 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 11:14 AM |
| If they do a repaint of Raistlin (with the alternative color robes: Red or Black) I expect the price to go through the roof.
Normal Raist I suspect will be similar to Elminster as jgs suggests. | |
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ehren37
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642 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 11:25 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by sage_raistlin
Anyone want to take a stab at how much this is going to cap at for price. Anyone think that Raistlin is going to give Drizzt a run for his money.
I can't wait to get this one (not that anyone would be able to guess that.)
Not a chance in hell. He'll be a 9 dollar figure or so. His popularity is roughly on par with the other uber mary sue, Elminster. How much did Elminster fetch on release? While they dont release print run info, I think that they are making larger productions with each set (look how much longer sets are available, and the product is more populer than ever). That means there will be more Raistlins than Elminsters, of which there were a hell of a lot more than Drizzt. | |
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ehren37
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642 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 11:26 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by RobWreck
Which is a shame... Raistlin's such a better character than Drittz. Raistlin showed what the real power and ambition of a mage can be... Drittz is boring and bland.
Rob
PS: Can't wait to see the Epic card for Raistlin... he'd have to be LE, right? There are no serious spellcasters in CE, are there?
I really have to disagree. Raistlin was pretty cool in the trilogy. After that, he became another stupid god character. | |
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| | 08/11/2006 11:34 AM |
| Raistlin would never be worth as much as Drizzt. It pains me to say it because I'm a DragonLance fan, and not a Drizzt fan. They are making more minis this time around, and people are more clued into getting sets and dupes of possible chase peices. Sure he will be valued at more than usual, that you can bet on. But he's no Drizzt.
I think in the original modules Raistlin was Neutral, and slipped into being Neutral Evil. My guess is as a mini he'd be LE/CE. | |
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2122 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 11:35 AM |
| plus when the movie comes out his popolartity hopefully will raise the roof. way more poplular than elminster anddrizzt is valued more becuase the set is retired. raistlin will have that same value in a few years when he is also hard to get
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Amator
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116 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 11:48 AM |
| I'm thinking the non-epic would be Any and epic would be LE. My reasoning is that in the trilogy Raistlin traveled with the companions not because they were good but because their paths followed the same roads for a time. He's willing to work with anyone who can help increase his arcane power. When he becomes a black robe, he'd be LE as his alignment is NE, but I don't see him working with CE for similar reasons that the LN Marut is LG only in DDM. Willing to work with anyone initially, but once his power is achieved, he settles down to LE.
It would totally rock if Raistlin had Warband Building: Any creature with the word Majere in their name is legal in your warband.
Anyone think of spells and abilities Raist might have?
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Thailfi
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956 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 11:56 AM |
| You know, I just never got the appeal of Raistlin. Sickly guy raises himself to power and treats everyone, including family and lovers, like dirt. I certainly never identified with him.
Now I certainly don't think that Drizz't is a great literary figure either, but I'll take him over Raistlin. | |
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5687 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 12:20 PM |
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Originally posted by Lab Monkey
If they do a repaint of Raistlin (with the alternative color robes: Red or Black) I expect the price to go through the roof.
Man, that would be cool....
quote:
Originally poster by Thailfi
You know, I just never got the appeal of Raistlin. Sickly guy raises himself to power and treats everyone, including family and lovers, like dirt. I certainly never identified with him.
Now I certainly don't think that Drizz't is a great literary figure either, but I'll take him over Raistlin.
I think Drizzt is getting old and am finding the side characters' stories more interesting.
I am guessing that gamers like Raistlin so much is because maybe they can relate (being picked on or outcasts, etc wanting power over 'the popular' crowd). | |
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Amator
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116 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 12:25 PM |
| He certainly isn't a heroic character. I think most of the appeal is that Raist shows the evolution of a power-hungry mage. He starts out as kind of a jerk, but there when his friends need him and then sells his physical health and a good chunk of his identity for arcane might and can eventually defeat a goddess.
I'm much more of a fan of Tanis and Sturm as characters. | |
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Sulaco
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1605 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 12:30 PM |
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Originally posted by Thailfi
You know, I just never got the appeal of Raistlin. Sickly guy raises himself to power and treats everyone, including family and lovers, like dirt. I certainly never identified with him.
Ditto. Plus the whole ">cough cough< look how dark and mysterious and tortured and stuff I am >cough cough<" thing wore off real damned fast. | |
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PaSquall
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1399 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 1:07 PM |
| | I don't see it ever reaching Drizt prices. It might get a bit more expensive than elminster, but not much. As others said, it will be produced in a far larger number than Drizt. | |
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Monsoon28
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2313 Posts
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| | 08/11/2006 1:12 PM |
| Well the Chronicles and Legends were great stories, Raistlin was an interesting character (but not one to relate to) same with Drizzt.
Both have their fanboyz and haters and both are/were highly sought after.
Drizzt will continue to be the value piece, coming from the valuable and hard to find Archfiends set. But I wouldn't be suprised if Raistlin were a more valued piece then Elminster.
Personally I'd prefer a Erevis Cale mini, or if from the same novels as the two character in this topic Bruenor, Flint or Tasslehoff would personally interest me more then the fan-favourites. | |
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| | 08/11/2006 1:27 PM |
| I don't really like Raistlin. I liked him a bit in the first book. After that, it was all downhill for him.
I don't think his value will ever come even remotely near Drizzt's value. I am still baffled by the Drizzt pricing. | |
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glumag
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5968 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 2:11 PM |
| | I will assume that Raistlin will be a middle point between Driz'zt and Elms. Much higher than Elms tho. If Raistlin has a promo with the black robes I think it'll get close to Driz'zt price range. | |
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shadroth
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210 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 2:21 PM |
| | What on Earth are you all talking about? Raistlin hasn't even been confirmed ... has he? I may be out of the loop here. | |
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True_Blue
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2386 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 2:42 PM |
| | At Gen Con he is confirmed in Unhallowed. | |
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Thailfi
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956 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 2:47 PM |
| I don't understand why Drizz't has a ton of value. You know what I want from my unique minis? I want to be able to use them as something else. So bring on;
Goldmoon, Tika, Caramon, Sturm, Flint, Tasselhoff, Laurana, Crysania, Alhana, Gilthanas, Riverwind, Dalamar, Kitiara, Verminaard, Fewmaster Toade, Ariakas, and many more, but leave Raistlin at home.
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greyhaze
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6654 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 3:29 PM |
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Originally posted by Thailfi
You know, I just never got the appeal of Raistlin. Sickly guy raises himself to power and treats everyone, including family and lovers, like dirt. I certainly never identified with him.
It's the ultimate revenge of the underdog, instead of finding power and staying a good guy he traversed towards the dark side. It's what Luke would have become had he been more obsessed with power than with his friendships. I think we can all relate to Raistlin a little, wondering just how far we could have gone over that intangable line, and as a result we can then understand the appeal of slipping further to the darkside like Raistlin did (or Vader did). It like a story about Darth Vader, but not lamely done. | |
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5699 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 4:21 PM |
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Originally posted by Lab Monkey
If they do a repaint of Raistlin (with the alternative color robes: Red or Black) I expect the price to go through the roof.
Normal Raist I suspect will be similar to Elminster as jgs suggests.
I do hope that they do this, but not for the pricing. And red robed as LG/(CG??) and Black as LE. | |
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Count Dooku
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| | 08/11/2006 4:27 PM |
| | Im sure we are all in agreement that if there is no promo and only one color was done...We would all want the Red more right? | |
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| | 08/11/2006 4:35 PM |
| | No. I'd much prefer the LE (black-robed) version. | |
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Sulaco
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1605 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 4:47 PM |
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Im sure we are all in agreement that if there is no promo and only one color was done...We would all want the Red more right?
I honestly could not care less. Whatever colour works best with the sculpt is the one they should use, be it black, red, white, green, blue or yellow. | |
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greyhaze
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6654 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 5:01 PM |
| | I like the look of the red better, but either way, I want him in LE. | |
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| | 08/11/2006 5:42 PM |
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Originally posted by Thailfi
I don't understand why Drizz't has a ton of value. You know what I want from my unique minis? I want to be able to use them as something else. So bring on;
Goldmoon, Tika, Caramon, Sturm, Flint, Tasselhoff, Laurana, Crysania, Alhana, Gilthanas, Riverwind, Dalamar, Kitiara, Verminaard, Fewmaster Toade, Ariakas, and many more, but leave Raistlin at home.
Good point. When I played Dragonlance as a PC I was Flint Fireforge and Tasslehoff Burrfoot. And I think I'd also prefer to get Tanis, Kitiara, Caramon and Tika before Raistlin.
If Raistlin has been confirmed...is there any hint/confirmation/rumour/wild speculation that they will do any other Dragonlance iconic figures? We have Lord Soth and some draconians...but what about Kender or Gully Dwarves? Kitiara on a Huge Blue Dragon would be really sweet too. | |
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zuljin
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38 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 6:49 PM |
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Originally posted by Amator
He certainly isn't a heroic character. I think most of the appeal is that Raist shows the evolution of a power-hungry mage. He starts out as kind of a jerk, but there when his friends need him and then sells his physical health and a good chunk of his identity for arcane might and can eventually defeat a goddess.
I'm much more of a fan of Tanis and Sturm as characters.
I agree...some of us are talking about two different things: I think that Raistlin is a much more interesting/drawing/powerful character than Drizzt...like others said, we can all identify a little with him(like greyhaze said), but he is also repulsive. The thing is, kind of like Anakin, you can see his fall into evil as he desires more and more power(though Raistlin is even more totally turned to evil, it is more of a willful decision, and thus even more repulsive, and still tragic). I think Raistlin is a very interesting and deep character.
However, like Amator said, he certainly isn't a heroic character, and hopefully none of us want to emulate him, and other DL characters have much more appeal as a role-model/character that you really identify with/love. I personally love Tas and Tanis. | |
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glumag
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5968 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 7:08 PM |
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Originally posted by Elder Elemental Evil
No. I'd much prefer the LE (black-robed) version.
Same here, he was a much more fun character in Black [:)] In Red he was just another party's wizard. | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 08/11/2006 7:25 PM |
| Supply and demand... there will be too many produced to ever have a huge price ticket. People predictd that Elminster would be rivaling Drizzt within a year, but he is nowhere close to that mark.
Time will tell... but he (and Strahd) will likely not be the tops in Unhallowed... I'd be surprised if they ever surpassed the Large Black in that set. | |
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Oryan77
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955 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 7:31 PM |
| I'd rather have a Jarlaxle mini than a Raistlin.
But then again, you could probably get more use out of a Raistlin (spellcaster mini) for RPGing than you could a Jarlaxle mini (Swashbuckling Drow?). | |
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Hejas
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435 Posts
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| | 08/11/2006 7:34 PM |
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5082 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 08/11/2006 8:55 PM |
| Even the fanboydom won't drive Raistlin up anywhere near the Drizzt mark. I'd expect he'll start out in the $7-$9 range (like most desirable rares) and slowly creep into the $15 range.
Granted, the rampant price gougers speculators might try to artificially inflate the price due to the perceived fanboy appeal. I just don't see the supply being outpaced by demand.
As to which is cooler, Drizzt or Raistlin? They're both uninteresting literary constructs (very hard to find believable and feel empathetic towards). They both suffer from the "ooh, I'm more mysterious than you" syndrome. Additionally, while both are keyed to the underdog role, both are repulsive enough that I find it rather distasteful to cheer them on or identify with them. | |
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sage_raistlin
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377 Posts
| | 08/12/2006 10:46 AM |
| | Hmmm red or black... Well I'm not going to be suprised if they do him in red, but his epic stats end up being for the black robes. The would be a very good figure for a repaint, which would drive his price through the roof. | |
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10147 Posts
Edinboro PA
| | 08/12/2006 11:14 AM |
| | Yep,no way Raistlin will reach Drizzt like prices. | | | |
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Tobus Neth
Skirmisher
46 Posts
| | 08/13/2006 2:55 PM |
| [QUOTE]Sulaco wrote
Not a chance. He is nowhere near as popular a character and there are going to be far more copies of it made than there were of Drizzt. He'll likley be no more valuable than any other average rare. The main deciding factor will be how useful he is in skirmish.[/QUOTE] Exactly what I was thinking. | | | |
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Low Key
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1231 Posts
| | 08/13/2006 3:16 PM |
| | I agree about Erevis Cale, pretty much my favorite Realm's novel character. Wouldnt minda a mini. | |
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