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10/26/2008 5:32 PM  
Posted By zenthrus on 10/26/2008 9:28 AM
Larry Flint: a bastion of class and decorum.


Can't exactly say that he's my kind of guy, but I'm glad that guys like him exist.  We need someone to push the envelope.

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10/26/2008 5:40 PM  
Posted By Thenameless on 10/26/2008 5:32 PM
Posted By zenthrus on 10/26/2008 9:28 AM
Larry Flint: a bastion of class and decorum.
Can't exactly say that he's my kind of guy, but I'm glad that guys like him exist.  We need someone to push the envelope.
Apparently my sarcastic face didn't quite translate across the internet


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10/26/2008 6:53 PM  
Oh, I knew it had to be sarcasm. Larry Flynt's the last guy you'd think of when saying the word classy.

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10/27/2008 4:30 AM  
Larry is kinda skeavy. ugh!

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10/27/2008 10:35 PM  
Did you see that movie about him?

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10/28/2008 6:05 AM  
a long time ago

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10/28/2008 9:51 AM  
Yeah, it's been a while for me too. I just remember something about him and his wife rolling around on the bed in a pile of money.

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10/28/2008 2:59 PM  
Posted By Thenameless on 10/28/2008 9:51 AM
Yeah, it's been a while for me too. I just remember something about him and his wife rolling around on the bed in a pile of money.
That was Indecent Proposal. Demi Moore and Woody Harrelson rolling around on the bed in a pile of money.

The movie about Larry Flynt had Woody Harrelson in a wheelchair just rolling around.


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10/29/2008 1:00 AM  
Posted By zenthrus on 10/28/2008 2:59 PM
Posted By Thenameless on 10/28/2008 9:51 AM
Yeah, it's been a while for me too. I just remember something about him and his wife rolling around on the bed in a pile of money.
That was Indecent Proposal. Demi Moore and Woody Harrelson rolling around on the bed in a pile of money.

The movie about Larry Flynt had Woody Harrelson in a wheelchair just rolling around.


And had that god aweful Courtney Love in it.

I did see a cover of the Who's Nailing Palin video, recognized the actress from my pre-married days and I loved her back then, waaay better than Palin could ever be.

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10/29/2008 1:12 AM  
Posted By zenthrus on 10/21/2008 12:59 PM
Oh, and on a local note I voted for "Super" Dell Schanze (yes, he's seriously crazy but when the inmates are running the asylum anyway...). Anyone who actually has their name listed as "Super" Dell on the ballot in a gubernatorial race is too awesome not to back (plus our current governor is indescribably mediocre).

LoL, you aren't kidding he is Crazy! I read up on him and wow. Vote for him, why not I guess the Republicans are going to win there regardless.

Palin's looking worse every day.

Biden, better but not by much. What was that stupidity about being tested?!? They should devote a writer to him to keeping from gaffing those gems.

McCain/Palin, camp seems to be falling apart blaming each other, then out on the campaign trail McCain acts like its all okay. Poor guy, first he sells his soul for a shot at the Presidency and now he seems to be going senile.

Obama, a 30 minute special on two networks on thursday? I hope its half as good as they skit SNL did making fun of it. I guess you have THAT much campaign money it's as good a spending cost as anything else he could do with it...

They're all pretty typical politicians but McCain just does even seem to be trying to look sincere and Palin is even more self-righteous than when she started her run (if that's even possible).

Obama and Biden gaffes aside at least look like they really care about fixing the country.


Now if someone could explain what's so terrible about socialism? The american people DO know its not the same thing as communism...Don't they?

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10/29/2008 2:10 AM  
Posted By Monsoon28 on 10/29/2008 1:12 AM

Now if someone could explain what's so terrible about socialism? The american people DO know its not the same thing as communism...Don't they?

America likes to think of itself as a bastion of pure capitalism (though it's far from it), so words like socialism and communism take on very negative connotations there.  That's all.

I'm not even sure if pure capitalism could work.  Same holds true for pure communism.  We're always just working in various shades of grey.

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10/29/2008 4:54 AM  
dude don't get G going! he can be very whiney.

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10/29/2008 6:14 AM  
You started it with your "communism is the best form of government" bullshit.

Of course, you meant Socialism. However, TNL is right. Both Communism and Socialism are not looked upon favorably in the U.S.

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10/29/2008 6:30 AM  
"Now if someone could explain what's so terrible about socialism? The american people DO know its not the same thing as communism...Don't they?"

I dont want the government controlling my business. I dont want them controlling my healthcare coverage. Id prefer not to send my kids to their schools. Theres a reason why private schools and business's get better results than ones run by state and government.

Until recently capitalism had been working very well. If the government hadnt mandated loans to be given to people who had a history of being unable to repay existing debt than maybe this mess might not be so bad. these loans were so bad that investors sold them overseas. If I make over $250k why should i have to give my money to someone who doesnt pay tax's. Opportunity is there for most people to get ahead. Whats the incentive for people to go out and overachive and make more than $250k? how are new jobs going to be created from this?

I'm not saying that either candidate is better than the other but i'm really worried about the next 4 years.




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10/29/2008 7:05 AM  
You started it with your "communism is the best form of government" bullshit.


your not going to cry are ya?

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10/29/2008 7:19 AM  
"You're", as in the abbreviation of You Are. Type it with me now, you're, you're, you're. I knew you could do it.

Oh yeah, and capitalize the Y.

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10/29/2008 8:34 AM  
So is that a yes then?

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10/29/2008 8:56 AM  
May your toilet paper turn into poison ivy.

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10/29/2008 10:16 AM  
Posted By Ghendar on 10/29/2008 8:56 AM
May your toilet paper turn into poison ivy.
That's almost as bad a curse as "may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your genitals."



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10/29/2008 10:41 AM  
Posted By wicked cool on 10/29/2008 6:30 AM

I'm not saying that either candidate is better than the other but i'm really worried about the next 4 years.




Regardless of who's in power, you're right, we're in for a rough ride.  Too many things need mending, and almost all of it will cost money.  Deeper debt is no good.

I admire McCain's idea of a blanket spending freeze, but it's unrealistic.

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10/29/2008 11:45 AM  
just like his chances of getting elected!!!

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"I dont want the government controlling my business. I dont want them controlling my healthcare coverage. Id prefer not to send my kids to their schools. Theres a reason why private schools and business's get better results than ones run by state and government."

  Really and yet Finland was ranked 1st in the world for education, a country where even University is free. Cost of University in North America, well the Â
  average cost (per year in 2007) in Canada is
$4,524, the average cost in the USA: a state run school $6,185, and private $23,712 (plus the added costÂ
  of student health insurance). So if you had to take loans to go to school in Canada after 4 years you'd have a debt of $18,096 plus books and
  accommodations. In the United States if you wanted one of those private schools (and not even an Ivy League school) your 4 year debt would be
  $94,848 (not including books, accommodation and health insurance.) Yet the average GDP of each country is (as of 2005) in the USA $41,889.59 per
  capita, and in Canada $34,484.35 per capita. So the average Canadian would be out of debt years before the average American. Regardless in both
  cases debt would be incurred unlike in many European countries with excellent education and no yearly tuition at all.

  You don't want them controlling your healthcare? The average life expectancy of an American is lower than just about every developed western country
  (Ireland ranked lower)

  Business? The government just dropped +$700B on your banking system to bail it out. The government isn't about controlling your business, but
  regulation isn't a bad thing either.

  Maybe it the taxes you don't like? True Americans pay lesser amounts of taxes (Ireland ranking lower), but yet ranked 23rd in terms of happiest
  countries, so paying less taxes doesn't equate to happiness. (Finland ranked 6th, Sweden 7th and Canada 10th)  And you'd never ever have to worry
  about going bankrupt because of health costs, which affects 2 million Americans every year. Â


"Until recently capitalism had been working very well. If the government hadnt mandated loans to be given to people who had a history of being unable to repay existing debt than maybe this mess might not be so bad. these loans were so bad that investors sold them overseas. If I make over $250k why should i have to give my money to someone who doesnt pay tax's. Opportunity is there for most people to get ahead. Whats the incentive for people to go out and overachive and make more than $250k? how are new jobs going to be created from this? "

  Until recently capitalism hand been working well? Really? Yes for the select few capitalism has been working great, but for the majority of Americans not
  so true. Just go to wikipedia for a quick look at 'Poverty in the United States' or numerous other sources for those facts. As Bill Maher stated 'The
  American Dream is more like The American Fantasy".

  What's the incentive for making more then $250k? Making more money! That arguement does work
  yes there is a small threshold where a lower income could be making more after taxes but for the most part people in higher tax brackets make more
  money.


"I'm not saying that either candidate is better than the other but i'm really worried about the next 4 years."

  We all are, and while Canada is in relatively good shape, I do worry for my American bothers and sisters. I hope you climb out of that whole quickly and
  in better shape and maybe just maybe with universal health coverage to boot.

  P.S. sorry for the long reply, but I write because I care.

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10/30/2008 3:49 PM  
Don't worry about making long replies Monsoon28. It means that your are putting a lot of thought into it.

I found it interesting to read your post.

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10/31/2008 12:56 AM  
Cool, I'm glad someone enjoyed it.

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10/31/2008 2:23 AM  
Actually, the thing that I'm happiest about is that we've had a thread on politics go to five pages, and it's never even been in danger of being locked.

On other sites, people start making harsh personal attacks almost right away.

It shows a lot about the brother/sisterhood that is Maxminis.

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10/31/2008 6:27 AM  
Cool, I'm glad someone enjoyed it.


I do also

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11/01/2008 1:35 AM  
It's unfortunate that most politicians are really just self-serving liars. They are in positions that could make the most difference in helping their fellow man.

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11/01/2008 11:19 AM  
Posted By Thenameless on 11/01/2008 1:35 AM
It's unfortunate that most politicians are really just self-serving liars. They are in positions that could make the most difference in helping their fellow man.
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11/01/2008 2:15 PM  
It's kind of weird. I'm very jaded about politics and politicians, but I find the Obama/McCain race to be very interesting.

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11/01/2008 4:11 PM  
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11/01/2008 10:51 PM  
Obama on Tuesday and the new President of the USA. Yes our president! The one thing that both parties have forgotton....IRAQ. Can we quit spending $$ on a old Bush war yes u can, yes we can!!!
I an censoring myself so my rant is over.

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11/02/2008 1:42 AM  
I don't think that Iraq has been forgotten Krush. The economy is front and centre right now, but if Obama wins, he is very clear about pulling out US troops very quickly, and focusing instead on Afghanistan.

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11/02/2008 5:24 AM  
As he should iraq needs to help it self.

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11/03/2008 2:02 AM  
I agree, Wolfgang. It doesn't take that long to teach a nation how to police itself.

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11/03/2008 4:28 AM  
My own politics aside, I've said all along that after 8 years of W, it will be nearly impossible for a republican to win. I still feel that way. I can't see Obama losing.

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11/03/2008 6:29 AM  
But do you see him better then McCain?

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11/03/2008 9:12 AM  
I see pros and cons on both sides. While i feel this country needs some dramatic change, i have to wonder if Obama is truly ready to be pres.

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11/03/2008 9:51 AM  
I'm much more afraid of what would happen if McCain got in and died than I am of anything Obama could do.

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So you can't read what's engraved, Is this Heaven or merely Decay?
Was there a light, enchantingly bright, A Question, just how did it end?
Just let me sift through your calm remains, And tear you away from your skin.
-Sumerias Fain.
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Milton, Ontario Canada

11/03/2008 10:34 AM  
LMAO!!!! Then palin would be running the show! that would be so bad!

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11/03/2008 10:56 AM  
I'll just be glad tomorrow when the voting ends and the inevitable lawsuits/claims of voter fraud/whining begins. I expect either side will call "foul" even if the election results aren't close.

In retrospect I might not be glad until January when the lawsuits end...

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