bshugg
Underboss
1833 Posts
    
 | | 09/10/2008 1:16 PM |
| SO we have finally made the finals of WBC 16. It's been an interesting run and we are down to the final two bands:
Warband 3
Large Shadow Dragon 48
Astral Stalker 45
Digester 39
Drider 26
Rot Scarab Swarm 19
Deathjumpspider 11
Darkmante 6
Bat Familiar 6
Warband 11
Large Shadow Dragon 48
Astral Stalker 45
Nightmare 44
Umber Hulk Delver 36
Flame Snake 8
Boneshard Skeleton 7
Darkmantle 6
Bat Familiar 6
We will cycle back to the first map and play on:
Dwarven Outpost
These two bands look pretty close in design but there are some subtle differences. Band 3 is more of an engager while band 11 is more of a defender build. Which one do you think will pull it off in the end The map looks fairly generic for both players, but as anyone who played in the championships can contend: It's got some tricks up its sleeves!
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Voting will close Sept 17th unless we have a tie. Then we will go into the tiebreaker methods described in the semi final thread.
Good luck to both contestants!
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Tellian
Sneak
125 Posts
Germany
| | 09/10/2008 2:17 PM |
| 6 large bases on this map. WB 3 has a little ranged advantage and better tech. WB 11 has the better mobility and more weapons. I think 11 will take the victory after an amazing battle.
regards
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IANKAVIK
Warrior
211 Posts
COLOMBIA
| | 09/10/2008 2:58 PM |
| Warband 3 definitively. | | | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 09/10/2008 5:59 PM |
| If the Umber Hulk Delver gets to use its Confusing Gaze twice, and at least one hits, and if it gets to use its Sapper twice, and at least one hits, that could alter the game. Even if the opposed, Stunned, figure is on the central victory area, being Stunned while facing an onslaught of attacks would hurt, and the effective loss of a turn could be crippling. The Confused condition is (save ends), so that could really hurt too.
The Digester's cone might be a very effective tool on a map with a choke point. But, the choke point doesn't have to be used. Both bands have Darkmantles and Bat Familiars, so both bands should be able to find ways to get a few rounds of assault points. That might provide an advantage to 11, since the Umber Hulk can Burrow and the Nightmare can Blink Out.
The Drider should be able to help 3 because it has enough hit points to last long enough to help with the Conceal of 11's Large Shadow Dragon. Then again, for it to work, the Drider has to get close, and that might pack things in a little tight for 3.
The Rot Scarab Swarm may get to the central victory area on round 2, and that's could be an advantage for 3. I expect the Boneshard will get up next to it, just in case. The Flamesnake isn't much help, as the damage is ranged.
I think that the Drider, ultimately, won't last, and the combined Conceal on the Nightmare and Large Shadow Dragon for 11 will win out. The Astral Stalker's nearest designation will thwart both bands. The LShD conceal will thwart both bands. The choke points may thwart both bands, but I kinda doubt it, there is enough room to move around.
But, I think 11 has more plausible tricks to overcome the problems than 3 does.
I agree with Tellian that the match will be close, but I think 11 has the edge.
Dave
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shandiris
Skirmisher
13 Posts
| | 09/10/2008 10:20 PM |
| Hmm very hard one but i'll go for warband 3
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Tellian
Sneak
125 Posts
Germany
| | 09/10/2008 10:55 PM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 09/10/2008 5:42 PM
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There we go, a nice image to consider while pondering this match.
Dave
Map is Dwarfen Outpost not Drow Outpost.
regards
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TheChuck
Warrior
333 Posts
Mississippi, USA
| | 09/11/2008 9:11 AM |
| | Warband 3. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2023 Posts
Portland OR
| | 09/11/2008 10:02 AM |
| | Going with 11 on this one. I like the options it has more than 3. I wish it wouldnot have been a sharowdragon showdown. | |
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tundrin
Sergeant
419 Posts
Randolph, NJ
| | 09/12/2008 10:04 AM |
| I vote #3
the swarm can position to absorb stalker shots, the drider can shoose its target.
IF the swarm chooses to get onto the central VA, it woudl be tough to move.
The nightmare with conc and blink will be tough, but it doesnt have that many walls to slink through when fighting at the center of the map.
I agree - a real duel, either can win with better tactics or dice. | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
4490 Posts
The Red Light District
| | 09/12/2008 1:13 PM |
| | Close, but I gotta go with 11. | |
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SquareKnot
Skirmisher
8 Posts
| | 09/12/2008 2:32 PM |
| | It will be close, but I think the Delver and the Nightmare give 11 a slight edge. Enough for the win here. | | | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 09/12/2008 2:55 PM |
| Posted By Tellian on 09/10/2008 10:55 PM Posted By Vrecknidj on 09/10/2008 5:42 PM
...
There we go, a nice image to consider while pondering this match.
Dave
Map is Dwarfen Outpost not Drow Outpost. regards
I'll fix it.
Dave
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Warleyn
Skirmisher
23 Posts
Mass.
| | 09/12/2008 3:39 PM |
| This was fun.
Because of the Drider and Digester, I vote for warband 3.
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Board Rider
Skirmisher
47 Posts
| | 09/12/2008 3:40 PM |
| I vote for 11. I think the nightmare swings the match.
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vanrulzz
Commander
2558 Posts
¯\(°_o)/¯
| | 09/12/2008 10:13 PM |
| warband 3
sorry bout the semifinals vote post lol i didnt see this thread | | | |
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Kumag
Sergeant
453 Posts
The Philippines
| | 09/13/2008 9:00 AM |
| It's Warband 3 More offensive weapons plus lockdown tech. i like it! | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 09/14/2008 7:41 AM |
| Right now, if my count is correct, 3 is ahead of 11 by a total of 7 votes to 5 votes.
One thing I've liked about this WBC is how close so many of the matches have been. There may have been some earlier blowouts, but, the WBC, I think, has been characterized by close matches.
Dave | |
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Gohu
Sneak
80 Posts
| | 09/15/2008 7:10 AM |
| Close call, i go with warband #3 !!
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7675 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 09/15/2008 9:24 AM |
| Voting for 11.
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OhGodtheRats
Warrior
188 Posts
| | 09/15/2008 2:53 PM |
| | Color me weird, my vote goes to 11. | | | |
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relientKitten
Warrior
179 Posts
Portland, Oregon
| | 09/15/2008 3:24 PM |
| I see the Drider locking down the Nightmare with the help of the Rot Scarab Swarm and the Digester and Umber Hulk Delver duking it out. The extra area effects from the Drider and Digester should help bring some multi-target damage and help whittle away the competition. The Boneshard is a wildcard depending on where it gets taken out; mounted on the Nightmare is certainly not a good idea for this guy (or maybe it is for the opposition, hehe). The ongoing damage from the Deathjump Spider is enough to take out the opponents fodder with a few Death From Above's. I don't like the 'closest' on the Flame Snake (I think it was mentioned in a prior post as well). 3 has the better mobility and as I mentioned, putting the Boneshard on the Nightmare for the speed boost is probably not a great idea.
After a very long combat, I'm going to say that Warband 3 will come out the victor, assuming noone's dice are rolling crazy. :p | |
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jelzimme
49 Posts
| | 09/16/2008 5:25 AM |
| | Close match, I see 3 winning just barely | | | |
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jelzimme
49 Posts
| | 09/16/2008 5:31 AM |
| Also:
| After 18 votes: | | Finals: | 3 | vs. | 11 | | | 10 | - | 8 |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2023 Posts
Portland OR
| | 09/17/2008 3:18 PM |
| last day... come on swing votes!!! lets go lets go lets go.
Sadly I'm more interested to see who wins the bonus prize... too many shadowdragon bands muckin this one up. Maybe next time. | |
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ShadowLord XT
Commander
2637 Posts
Plane of Shadow
| | 09/17/2008 8:03 PM |
| | I'll say warband 11 would win because everyone loves a close match, hehe. | |
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bshugg
Underboss
1833 Posts
| | 09/17/2008 9:00 PM |
| | couple of mins left... | |
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bshugg
Underboss
1833 Posts
| | 09/17/2008 9:01 PM |
| | wait, I lied, its PST looks like. | |
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Nixlord
Underboss
2468 Posts
Quezon City, Philippines
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bshugg
Underboss
1833 Posts
| | 09/18/2008 1:05 PM |
| With a final vote of 10 to 9 Warband 3 pulls off a victory. Even more amazing of a win since the warband's owner voted for his opponent! :)
The Standings:
1st Place.
Tellian
2nd Place:
Vrecknidj
Semi finals random winner:
Reliant Kitten
Finals Random Winner:
Tundrin
All 4 of you please contact me at bshugg (at) hotmail _dot_ com so I can arrange for your prizes to be delivered.
Tellian is crowned champion to reign over the warband challange 17. He makes the rules and calls the shots and I wish him luck! He defeated the dastardly Vrecknidj and kept him from his 4th championship. :) | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
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OhGodtheRats
Warrior
188 Posts
| | 09/18/2008 11:46 PM |
| Congratulations guys! Was awesome seeing this through to the end and I look forward to the next one.
-Jared
(Mr. Quori + Bodyguard Warband) | | | |
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jelzimme
49 Posts
| | 09/19/2008 8:29 AM |
| Congrats Tellian!
This was the first WBC I've ever competed in (Warband 2... soooo close!) and it was a ton of fun! I'm looking forward to WBC 17, so hurry and get it setup! | | | |
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relientKitten
Warrior
179 Posts
Portland, Oregon
| | 09/19/2008 12:12 PM |
| 'Grats guys! That was kind of fun... maybe I'll submit a warband next time.
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 09/19/2008 3:08 PM |
| Posted By relientKitten on 09/19/2008 12:12 PM
'Grats guys! That was kind of fun... maybe I'll submit a warband next time.
Please do. It would be wonderful to get the numbers back up into the 30s.
Dave
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2023 Posts
Portland OR
| | 09/19/2008 5:53 PM |
| drats foiled again!!! (both WBC and random prize)...
Ok
Get the next one rolling!!! Maybe it'll reenergize the boards. So dead right now. | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7675 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 09/22/2008 9:28 AM |
| | Grats! | |
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Tellian
Sneak
125 Posts
Germany
| | 09/24/2008 4:57 AM |
| Wow...
Thank you all. I never thought coming this far, but happens.
For the next WBC, hmm I don't know. How about PYRAMID Warbands? 200 points assault, free map and:
1 mini 1 time
1 mini 2 times
1 mini 3 times
1 mini 4 times
and if you are able to, then
1 mini 5 times^^
Give me a feedback please...
kind regards | |
The journey is the reward | |
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bshugg
Underboss
1833 Posts
| | 09/26/2008 7:51 PM |
| | still haven't received address from everyone! You guys want some spiffy mini's right? | |
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Tellian
Sneak
125 Posts
Germany
| | 09/27/2008 1:36 AM |
| Posted By bshugg on 09/26/2008 7:51 PM
still haven't received address from everyone! You guys want some spiffy mini's right?
Will send you mine via mail. | |
The journey is the reward | |
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