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Originally posted by olrak

The attack bonus for a hidden creature only works for range attacks. Melee reach is still... MELEE. [)]

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Originally posted by lynchpt

Regarding the attack bonus issue: I elided part of the glossary entry on Invisible, which I now see was relevant. The missing section was:

"This creature gains Conceal 11 against attackers that can’t see
it and a +2 bonus on attacks made against enemies that can’t see it."

There is no restriction saying you only get the plus two on ranged attacks.

Pat Lynch

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Originally posted by Nixlord
It's the Hide ability (which is different from being invisible) that's in question on whether you get a bonus or not when using melee reach.

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Hide: If this creature has cover against a nonadjacent enemy from something other than intervening creatures (such as a wall or statue), it is considered to have the Invisible special ability (see that entry, below) against that creature.

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Originally posted by lurch_E_bean

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Originally posted by Nixlord
It's the Hide ability (which is different from being invisible) that's in question on whether you get a bonus or not when using melee reach.

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It's not really that different, in fact, this is from the errata on hide:

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Hide: If this creature has cover against a nonadjacent enemy from something other than intervening creatures (such as a wall or statue), it is considered to have the Invisible special ability (see that entry, below) against that creature.

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Originally posted by Nixlord

Based then on the above statement, it is then logical that the Dragonblade Ninja should get a +2 on its attack roll, even if its melee, as it is considered invisible to the target.

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Originally posted by Faragdar the Wise

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Originally posted by Nixlord

Based then on the above statement, it is then logical that the Dragonblade Ninja should get a +2 on its attack roll, even if its melee, as it is considered invisible to the target.

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When using his ghost step ability and attacking a creature that does not have blindsight, that is correct.

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Originally posted by Warflail

I've wanted to make a roguely-oriented enveloping/sneakattacking/etc army for a while... but up to now all of the roguely type units have been far too squishy to really make it work even in a purely semi-competitive theme army environment.

I find it really ironic that the Skullclan Hunter with it's hide, sidestep, good stats, etc can probably, if run in multiples, make the concept work to some degree. The irony is that Skullclan Hunters are bloody LG not CG! Although being Halflings you could run a Cleric (or Champion) of Yondolla and link in Lidda, Halfling Wizards, Halfling Veterans, or Halfling Rangers. All of which, if not precisely envelopy/roguely themselves at least make some degree of sense in a halfling skulkish type band.

Now all Halfling theme bands need ia CG halfling leader whose warband buildling ability makes LG halflings legal. ;)

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