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Corim Danex
Warlord
6809 Posts
    
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| http://www.wizards.com/default.asp x=dnd/mi/20080918a
 This week -- two more miniatures from the Demonweb. Iron Dragon Prowler  When you think of iconic monsters in Dungeons & Dragons,
it is only natural for dragons to come to mind. This year we focused on
the chromatic dragons, such as the blue and the black dragon. The
metallic dragons will have full attention next year, and the first
thing that fans of previous editions will notice is the dragons based
on alloys have been replaced with pure metals. In Against the Giants,
you were able to get your hands on one of the two new metallics, the
Adamantine Dragon. This week, we preview the other new metallic dragon. The Iron Dragon Prowler is one of seven creatures in the set with the Dragon keyword and one of three true dragons in Demonweb.
To make him stand out from other silvery metallic dragons, his wings
have been darkened and slightly rusted. The miniature is fantastic --
individual scales have been sculpted, and a dark wash really brings out
the recesses of the figure. Deathcap  This
figure marks a departure from previous creatures. Most of the
miniatures have represented monsters, but this set has a new class --
objects. The Deathcap mushroom follows the Living Flaming Sphere and
Animated Statue as miniatures that have an increased usefulness in the
roleplaying game. There are a lot of options -- general dungeon
dressing is the most immediate use. These could represent doomspores, a
hazard found on page 88 of the Dungeon Master's Guide. While
out of the scope for this preview article, I can imagine these
deathcaps being used after a failed skill challenge in a dungeon where
the PCs tried to bypass a growth of shriekers. For the miniatures battle game, the Deathcap changes the
battlefield. Instead of moving around like a creature, the immobile
Deathcap is placed in a victory area. There, it affects the creatures
around it, either granting additional victory points or additional
poison damage, depending on whether it is in your victory area or your
opponent's. I'm looking forward to reading the response to this creature. I see
it as a figure you're either going to love or hate. There are three or
four figures in this set that could easily be used in the RPG as things
other than monsters, but only this one is explicitly defined as an
object in the miniatures battle game. Next week … more minis! 
About the Author Peter Lee is the newest member of the RPG R&D Design team and the new Lead Designer for theD&D Miniatures game. 
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6809 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 09/17/2008 9:26 PM |
| | Love the shroom... not really interested in the 4e dragon. | |
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Michael
Warrior
256 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 09/17/2008 9:29 PM |
| Meh for the dragon. I don't even agree with the "..miniature is fantastic..." part in the preview. You can clearly see how the neck was attached to the body - the scales are completely out of line. Not sure what to think of the mushroom. I'd prefer them to release a non-random objects pack with chairs, cupboards, tables, doors and ... well mushrooms, I guess. Still a great set so far. | |
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Darth Torment
Warrior
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Toronto, Ontario CANADA
| | 09/17/2008 9:39 PM |
| | Why do dragons for the most part suck in this game stat wise? Makes no sense. | |
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VFults
Sneak
121 Posts
| | 09/17/2008 10:00 PM |
| I'll take a half-dozen shrooms; very useful for rpg. I'm not impressed with the iron dragon, though. Of the three dragons in the set, only the blue is a must-have for me. Regards, V | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3398 Posts
Netherlands
| | 09/18/2008 12:17 AM |
| The mushroom is wonderful! I want 8 at least! too bad it's uncommon...
I love that they are making objects, very cool. Great move Wizards! Now for the barmaid mini!
D. | |
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6809 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 09/18/2008 12:31 AM |
| Posted By Darth Torment on 09/17/2008 9:39 PM
Why do dragons for the most part suck in this game stat wise? Makes no sense.
Dragons have alternated between being highly efficient to poor performers. It has kind of come in cycles over the history of the game.
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yack
Commander
3270 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 09/18/2008 4:24 AM |
| | The shroom rocks! I want alot of them! I mean alot , the best of the set right now not because I do not want to use it as a mushroom but more of a shieker or violet fungi. This can be a great repaint. I love this as much as the ochre jelly. I have a feeling there is a mimic in this set. | |
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berus316
Sergeant
656 Posts
Markham, Ontario Canada
| | 09/18/2008 5:28 AM |
| Love the mushroom. The dragon looks pretty badass if you ask me. A lot of "Holy $#!^" factor for the PCs. Couldn't care less about the DDM stats.
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Beware of Kobold
Sneak
85 Posts
| | 09/18/2008 12:23 PM |
| Posted By Dordledum on 09/18/2008 12:17 AM
The mushroom is wonderful! I want 8 at least! too bad it's uncommon...
I love that they are making objects, very cool. Great move Wizards! Now for the barmaid mini!
D.
so... barmaids are objects?
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Wolfgang
Warlord
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| | 09/18/2008 12:57 PM |
| so... barmaids are objects?
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Wolfgang
Warlord
5762 Posts
Milton, Ontario Canada
| | 09/18/2008 12:58 PM |
| Dragon looks awsome
Shroom os great for RPG'ERS
great preview | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3930 Posts
USA
| | 09/18/2008 1:19 PM |
| Great Preview.Â
The dragon looks a little week on HP, but otherwise not too bad. Of course hes in Wild where there are some other very nice pieces. And Champ 3 is very solid.Â
The Shroom - very nice. Once EB is gone, theme WB (ie Drow) will definately become popular with this fella.Â
So far Demonwed is looking very solid.Â
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Wraithborne
Commander
4490 Posts
The Red Light District
| | 09/18/2008 1:58 PM |
| I'm diggin' the 'shroom!!!!
The dragon, not so much. I'm not that keen on the new replacement dragons and the massive seam is just lame. | |
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Shottglazz
Underboss
1135 Posts
Quinte West, Ontario, Canada
| | 09/18/2008 2:13 PM |
| | Love the mushroom - gotta collect 6 to 8 of em... | |
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Beware of Kobold
Sneak
85 Posts
| | 09/18/2008 3:41 PM |
| Mushroom - Awesome
Dragon - Who cares?
this preview hilariously points out just how out of touch Wizards is sometimes with knowing the actual desires of its most die-hard fans. Everyone in this thread couldn't care less about the dragon, but is excited by the immobile mushroom. About freakin time they started making things aside from dragons and human fighters | |
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mazra
Sergeant
440 Posts
Canton, GA
| | 09/18/2008 5:07 PM |
| Hi Everyone,
I will join the crowd with a hardy Yippeee for the shroom.
The Dragon is OK.
Later,
Mazra | | | |
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relientKitten
Warrior
179 Posts
Portland, Oregon
| | 09/18/2008 5:32 PM |
| I love all of the Dragons... they're like my Poke'mon, gotta (collect) 'em all!
The Mushrooms are gonna end up being like the Stirges, uncommon and everyone wants a ton of 'em. Hopefully I'll pull eight and won't have to fight. XD
I'll take a barmaid or six... Since an adventurer's mainstay is the tavern, wenches are a necessity in any gaming session! Maybe that can be my new champion, since a Loremistress is probably not gonna happen in 4e. ;.; | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
4490 Posts
The Red Light District
| | 09/18/2008 5:34 PM |
| | I suppose 3 mini previews were indeed too much to ask for more than once.... | |
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6809 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 09/18/2008 7:09 PM |
| Posted By relientKitten on 09/18/2008 5:32 PM
The Mushrooms are gonna end up being like the Stirges, uncommon and everyone wants a ton of 'em. Hopefully I'll pull eight and won't have to fight. XD
I seriously doubt the shrooms will be anything like the (original) stirge in difficulty to get or price.Â
Reasons:Â
1--The stirge was an uncommon in WotDQ, which means due to the way they slotted C/U/R/etc in that set, they were as unlikely to find as a rare in a regular set. There were only 2 uncommons per booster and the sheer number of different uncommons make it so that they were much less common than a typical uncommon.
2--People wanted like 16-24 stirges usually.
I don't think the mushroom will be that popular. A lot of RPGers wanting maybe 6-12. So it will likely be a typical uncommon or a lot closer to it.
As an example with the WotDQ stirge:Â I bought 5 cases and I think I got 2 out of the five cases.
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gausse
Sergeant
961 Posts
Wisconsin
| | 09/18/2008 9:22 PM |
| | Cool....Pass me some shrooms man...cough, cough....Dragon looks pretty good. | |
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subliminalmf
Skirmisher
39 Posts
Maine
| | 09/18/2008 9:29 PM |
| I agree with Corim. It's been 2 years since WotDQ and without purchasing any single ones I have a whopping 4 Stirges from that set. The only reason I have that many is most kids will gladly trade away the silly looking flying mosquito for something "cool" looking.
With the Mushroom and Stirge from this set you'll be looking at an avg of 2 per case, a more precise avg of 3 per two cases.Â
This stems from personal experience. During Dread I opened two cases and pulled 8 of each common, and 3 of each uncommon (except 2, one of which I had two, another 4). Usually you will not pull a duplicate of any rares out of a sealed case.Â
I see myself trading for stirges and mushrooms with this new set at a higher degree of success as each are more likely to be pulled and none of my munchkins will really want the things. Still going to be a bitch though...they always want the best minis in the set...*L*
My input..
And yeah...I'll take an ounce of shrooms...hopefully they're light.
Sub
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Knight of the
Round Table
Thenameless
Warlord
11768 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 09/19/2008 10:03 AM |
| I wasn't too excited about the first preview, but I like this one much better.
The Iron Dragon Prowler is beautiful in this picture, and I hope that the production version is just as nice. It would be good if a creature this nice was given playable skirmish stats.
Deathcap is cool. I'd rather have it, than another generic humanoid mini. | |
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Kezghan
Sneak
60 Posts
Greater Vancouver
| | 09/19/2008 10:32 AM |
| Posted By Thenameless on 09/19/2008 10:03 AM
I wasn't too excited about the first preview, but I like this one much better.
The Iron Dragon Prowler is beautiful in this picture, and I hope that the production version is just as nice. It would be good if a creature this nice was given playable skirmish stats.
Deathcap is cool. I'd rather have it, than another generic humanoid mini.
The first preview was rocksolid Joe!
and the IDP is very skirmish viable. Charging into Flank at +20 for 40dmg in Wild (warsinger) is pretty monster. Champ 3 and very good champ powers. This piece is serious.
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Knight of the
Round Table
Thenameless
Warlord
11768 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 09/19/2008 10:36 AM |
| | Good, we need to see more dragons on the table. | |
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MikeyChraal
Warrior
254 Posts
Manchester, England
| | 09/19/2008 11:10 AM |
| i need some shrooms    =] | |
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Kezghan
Sneak
60 Posts
Greater Vancouver
| | 09/19/2008 11:21 AM |
| Posted By Thenameless on 09/19/2008 10:36 AM
Good, we need to see more dragons on the table.
come to a theme night...
150 pnts of your wb much have matching keyword, good.evil dont apply and no EB.
was this weeks and next weeks format.
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Duke of Spoils
greyhaze
Warlord
6920 Posts
| | 09/19/2008 12:33 PM |
| | Never saw Shadow Dragons or Large Black Dragons or Large Red Beats in your hood? Thing is, whenever there are dragons on the table, everybody is playing them! | |
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Knight of the
Round Table
Thenameless
Warlord
11768 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 09/19/2008 4:35 PM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 09/19/2008 12:33 PM
Never saw Shadow Dragons or Large Black Dragons or Large Red Beats in your hood? Thing is, whenever there are dragons on the table, everybody is playing them!
That was a long time ago 'haze. I haven't played multi-dragon warbands for about a year. The recent metas here have been Mind Flayer Lich, Kuo-toa Whips, Eternal Blade, Wulfgar, Wild Mage, TBA, dual Efreeti.
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Auric
Warrior
208 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 09/19/2008 5:08 PM |
| | I like both of them. They look really cool to me. | |
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PaSquall
Underboss
1399 Posts
| | 09/21/2008 12:03 PM |
| Mmmm, nice preview. Not that I needed another silver dragon that much (err... sorry, iron), but looks well-detailed. The shroom is great, and quite original since it's only the second one we have IIRC.
Bring us the commoners now ! | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 09/21/2008 7:00 PM |
| Funny, but I'll join with more excitement for the mushroom than dragon.
I do hope the production mini is as good in hand for the dragon. | |
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6809 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 09/24/2008 7:02 PM |
| | The odd thing I see is that the new metallics were added in part because the other ones blend together in color. The iron and silver are pretty similar in coloration from what I can tell. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
6920 Posts
| | 09/26/2008 9:23 AM |
| | They went from yellow colours to silvery colours. Doesn't seem to help when Adamant, Silver & Iron are so close, they should have just added the Adamant and just dropped the Brass dragon. (So we'd have Copper "brownish" and Adamant "greyish"). | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
4490 Posts
The Red Light District
| | 09/26/2008 11:23 AM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 09/26/2008 9:23 AM
They went from yellow colours to silvery colours. Doesn't seem to help when Adamant, Silver & Iron are so close, they should have just left history well enough alone on this one.
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-Jimgang
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Dordledum
Commander
3398 Posts
Netherlands
| | 10/03/2008 11:16 AM |
| My adamantine dragon is black... not even close to silver...
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greyhaze
Warlord
6920 Posts
| | 10/03/2008 1:02 PM |
| | Mine's dark grey. That's part of the reason I'd leave in the adamant and not put in the iron. | |
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6809 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 10/03/2008 3:46 PM |
| | Ah, but they don't care much about history | |
"Look to God and live." Alma 37:47
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