 Vrecknidj Warlord
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 United States
 | | 09/07/2008 5:48 AM |
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D&D fans, Many players have written us about recent disparaging D&D
references by a John McCain staffer, Michael Goldfarb. I want you to
know that everyone at Wizards is offended and baffled by the ignorance.
Obviously, this person harbors some retro prejudices and has no idea
what D&D is about or who the fans really are. I thought you should
know that my colleagues at Hasbro also take offense and sent a letter
to Michael Goldfarb (copied below). Wizards will continue to promote
D&D as the great heroic fantasy game that it is and we thank you
for your continued support and encouragement. Greg Leeds President Wizards of the Coast
August 28th, 2008 Michael Goldfarb 1235 S. Clark St, Suite M Arlington, VA 22202 Dear Mr. Goldfarb, I was disappointed to read the disparaging intent of your comments
regarding Dungeons & Dragons (D&D) fans, both in your response
to New York Times editors, and on the John McCain campaign website. Dungeons & Dragons is a global game with millions of consumers
in the U.S. and abroad. The brand is owned by Wizards of the Coast, a
subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc. For fans, the game is essentially about heroism and therefore it is
not surprising to us that thousands of military personnel play and
enjoy the game. Hasbro, in turn, supports the U.S. Armed Forces by
sending multiple crates of game products, including Dungeons &
Dragons, to our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Recently a soldier who saw your comments online said, “Wizards of
the Coast (the makers of D&D) has sent care packages to the troops
on many occasions, providing free gaming supplies in support of our men
and women serving the country overseas to help them decompress after
hours. McCain's people should really check their facts before they
spout off. Does John McCain have no idea how many GIs play D&D?” We would very much appreciate you not making any more condescending
comments about D&D -- as it is a great game enjoyed by millions of
people around the world. Thank you. Sincerely, Wayne Charness Senior Vice President Hasbro, Inc.
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E Thug of the Round Table Wolfgang Warlord
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 Milton, Ontario Canada
 | | 09/07/2008 6:29 AM |
| | so what did he say? i must google this | | Proud member since March 26 2005 Champion of the SIVAK DRACONIAN Completed trades: (86) Bad traders(2) DJchuckles, sardal Called shots:Sivak Draconian in DD Trade References Email Me | |
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 Vrecknidj Warlord
 10445 Posts


 United States
 | | 09/07/2008 7:20 AM |
| Posted By Wolfgang on 09/07/2008 6:29 AM so what did he say? i must google this Check the McCain-Palin 2008 boards...
Smears the Left Can Fight For
In the least credible and most vicious
corner of the internet, liberal bloggers at the Daily Kos are accusing
John McCain of plagiarizing from Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. The story
Solzhenitsyn told was of a prisoner who drew a cross in the dirt in a
Soviet Gulag. McCain's story is of a guard who drew a cross in the dirt
in a Vietnamese prisoner of war camp.
The only similarity between the two stories is a cross in the dirt, but
it is hardly an unlikely coincidence that there were practicing
Christians in both Russia and Vietnam, or that in the prisons of those
two Communist countries the only crosses to be found were etched in the
dirt, as easily disappeared as the Christians who drew them.
But those desperate to discredit Senator McCain's record will have to
impugn his fellow prisoners as well. Orson Swindle, who was held as a
prisoner of war along with McCain, tells the McCain Report that he
heard this particular story from McCain "when we first moved in
together." That was in the summer of 1971, Swindle said, though "time
blurred" and he couldn't be sure. He said it was some time around then
that the Vietnamese moved all "36 troublemakers" into the same
quarters, where they "talked about everything under the sun."
It may be typical of the pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons crowd
to disparage a fellow countryman's memory of war from the comfort of
mom's basement, but most Americans have the humility and gratitude to
respect and learn from the memories of men who suffered on behalf of
others. John McCain has often said he witnessed a thousand acts of
bravery while he was imprisoned, and though not every one has been
submitted into the public record, they are remembered by the men who
were there (one such only recently reported
by Karl Rove though it escaped mention in any of Senator McCain's
books). But as Swindle said, this is a "desperate group of people
trying to make something out of nothing."
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 Vrecknidj Warlord
 10445 Posts


 United States
 | | 09/07/2008 7:22 AM |
| I didn't know the D&D crowd was pro-Obama, or that it disparaged the memories of war of fellow countrymen, or that it spent all its time in its mom's basement....
Looks like poor Mr. Goldfarb is a little out of touch.
Dave | | Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing; My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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E Thug of the Round Table Wolfgang Warlord
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 Milton, Ontario Canada
 | | 09/07/2008 11:37 AM |
| Looks like poor Mr. Goldfarb is a little out of touch.
oh i think he is touched that's for sure | | Proud member since March 26 2005 Champion of the SIVAK DRACONIAN Completed trades: (86) Bad traders(2) DJchuckles, sardal Called shots:Sivak Draconian in DD Trade References Email Me | |
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Knight of Argenis Corim Danex Warlord
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 West Valley City, Utah
 | | 09/07/2008 12:47 PM |
| He is certainly out of touch and a poor spokesman. I play D&D, support the troops, and my mom lives in the basement of my house, as my wife and I want to support her and enjoy her company. And I am planning to vote for McCain-Palin as I have more confidence in them than in Obama.
This blog statement truly is an example of general prejudice in politicians who don't take time to really learn what they are talking about. Such errors throughout politics are so commonplace they are pathetic. | | "Look to God and live." Alma 37:47 Vindicated Champ of Hippogriff (Arcadian Hippogriff) and Uncommon Horse | |
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relientKitten Warrior
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 Portland, Oregon
 | | 09/07/2008 1:03 PM |
| Kudos to Hasbro.
I think some foot-removal is needed from the guy's mouth.
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Knight of the Round Table Thenameless Warlord
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 The Fortress of Solitude
 | | 09/07/2008 1:29 PM |
| | I wonder how much of an effect negative comments about D&D will affect the voting. There are quite a few gamers out there, though not all of them will see this, and even those who see it might not change their minds. | | Over 270 successful online DDM trades. | |
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paladin72 Sneak
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 | | 09/07/2008 1:54 PM |
| | It won't change my opinions a bit. I don't like either one of them. | | “There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.” | |
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relientKitten Warrior
 179 Posts



 Portland, Oregon
 | | 09/07/2008 7:08 PM |
| Lesser of two evils?
Politics are teh suck.
I've been sending this to every gaming list I'm a member of.
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Knight of Argenis Corim Danex Warlord
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 West Valley City, Utah
 | | 09/07/2008 9:00 PM |
| Posted By Thenameless on 09/07/2008 1:29 PM I wonder how much of an effect negative comments about D&D will affect the voting. There are quite a few gamers out there, though not all of them will see this, and even those who see it might not change their minds. Well, as I had never heard of this campaign guy before, his opinion is quite irrelevant to me, even if I think he's out of touch. I doubt that he's talked to McCain about D&D. And even if he had, I could actually care less what any candidate thinks of D&D. There hasn't been any legislation about D&D as far as I know in the history of the country. And I don't think that politicians would even do anything about D&D in the future. Honestly, it's such a small hobby in the scope of the nation that I'm surprised us gamers even show up as a blip on the political radar. The fact that they know so little about gamers shows that it's not an important topic.
While D&D is definitely a strong and vibrant hobby of mine that I have spent more money on than any other hobby in my life, by far, I am also practical about knowing that I am part of a relatively small group in the country that know and enjoy the game.
I think it's silly that anyone would change their vote because some fool of a campaign aid made an uninformed statement.
I am glad that Hasbro/WotC responded to his ignorance with the statement. Educating people who don't know much about the game is a good thing. Hopefully, this unlearned assistant will do some further research before making more foolish comments.
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thekidxii Sergeant
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 No Yack. I said.. we need a DM not BM!
 | | 09/08/2008 4:43 AM |
| Goldfarb's funny as hell apology:
"If my comments caused any harm or hurt to the hard working Americans who play Dungeons & Dragons, I apologize. This campaign is committed to increasing the strength, constitution, dexterity, intelligence, wisdom, and charisma scores of every American."
The comments on the original link are just gold! (well I don't know if it tis the original source but still...)
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Duke of Spoils greyhaze Warlord
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 | | 09/08/2008 6:28 AM |
| Posted By relientKitten on 09/07/2008 7:08 PM Lesser of two evils?
The irony is that there are more than two evils, but no one can break the mold.
Guess he failed his knowledge bureaucracy check... | | Greyhaze's DDM Spoilers Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60, Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger. Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves. | |
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 Most Edumacated zenthrus Warlord
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 SLC, UT
 | | 09/08/2008 11:33 AM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 09/08/2008 6:28 AM The irony is that there are more than two evils, but no one can break the mold.
How many evils are there? There are 303 and 3003 evils. Right, but how many evils are there really? 33. Right, but how many evils are there really? 6. Right, but how many evils are there really? 3. Right, but how many evils are there really? 2. Right, but how many evils are there really? 1. Right. And who are those 303 and 3003 evils?
Back on topic...big shock that a low-level political hack spouted off about something he/she was uninformed about. Kudos to Hasbro for attempting to correct misconceptions about their products.
Vote Vin Diesel. He plays D&D 
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Duke of Spoils greyhaze Warlord
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 | | 09/08/2008 11:36 AM |
| | I meant there were more parties to vote for than the standard two. | | Greyhaze's DDM Spoilers Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60, Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger. Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves. | |
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The Great Choco Monster Ghendar Warlord
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 The G Spot
 | | 09/08/2008 12:08 PM |
| Posted By Corim Danex on 09/07/2008 9:00 PM
I think it's silly that anyone would change their vote because some fool of a campaign aid made an uninformed statement.
I agree and at the risk of being labeled as a douche, anyone who bases his/her vote on that should not be allowed to vote.
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E Thug of the Round Table Wolfgang Warlord
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 Milton, Ontario Canada
 | | 09/09/2008 2:46 PM |
| | his butt kissing is funny to me | | Proud member since March 26 2005 Champion of the SIVAK DRACONIAN Completed trades: (86) Bad traders(2) DJchuckles, sardal Called shots:Sivak Draconian in DD Trade References Email Me | |
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Knight of Argenis Corim Danex Warlord
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 West Valley City, Utah
 | | 09/09/2008 4:36 PM |
| So, Mr. Goldfarb responded to WotC.
Does someone have a link to his reply
EDIT: Please post a link if you have one. | | "Look to God and live." Alma 37:47 Vindicated Champ of Hippogriff (Arcadian Hippogriff) and Uncommon Horse | |
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Zagnar Skirmisher
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 | | 09/09/2008 5:40 PM |
| People who don't know what they are talking about are better off just keeping their mouths shut. Hopefully he at least gets a slap on the wrist.
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 Fun Guy from Yuggoth Cthulhufnord Warlord
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 Umass Amherst Baby!
 | | 09/10/2008 2:29 PM |
| Amusing.......
given the unfortunate and fraudulent Statanist scares of the 1980's I'm sure there's at least a few Pols with a negative veiw of D&D. 
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Wraithborne Commander
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 The Red Light District
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| Posted By Cthulhufnord on 09/10/2008 2:29 PM Amusing....... given the unfortunate and fraudulent Statanist scares of the 1980's I'm sure there's at least a few Pols with a negative veiw of D&D. 
You mean you guys don't worship Satan
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paladin72 Sneak
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 | | 09/11/2008 4:35 PM |
| Posted By Cthulhufnord on 09/10/2008 2:29 PM Amusing....... given the unfortunate and fraudulent Statanist scares of the 1980's I'm sure there's at least a few Pols with a negative veiw of D&D.  Yeah, I thought that was a prerequisite.
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Master of the Awesome Sauce Teflon Jeff Warlord
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 Sector 2814
 | | 09/15/2008 9:21 AM |
| Posted By thekidxii on 09/08/2008 4:43 AM Goldfarb's funny as hell apology: "If my comments caused any harm or hurt to the hard working Americans who play Dungeons & Dragons, I apologize. This campaign is committed to increasing the strength, constitution, dexterity, intelligence, wisdom, and charisma scores of every American." The comments on the original link are just gold! (well I don't know if it tis the original source but still...)
Okay, he gets kudos for a funny reply.
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 Bert the Troll Commander
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 Adelaide
 | | 09/21/2008 4:01 PM |
| Posted By paladin72 on 09/11/2008 4:35 PM Posted By Cthulhufnord on 09/10/2008 2:29 PM Amusing....... given the unfortunate and fraudulent Statanist scares of the 1980's I'm sure there's at least a few Pols with a negative veiw of D&D.  Yeah, I thought that was a prerequisite. 
Now that I have been rasied to 8th level, its time for me to learn how to really cast spells | | "Mutton yesterday, mutton today, and blimey, if it don't look like mutton again tomorrer." Bert the Troll - The Hobbit Semi-Secret sig business: "In the age of the internet attaching a famous name to your personal opinion to give more weight to it is a very valid strategy." - Benjamin Franklin Champion of Epic Lolth, Orcus, & Demogorgon and bring us Asmodeus! | |
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 Fun Guy from Yuggoth Cthulhufnord Warlord
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 Umass Amherst Baby!
 | | 09/21/2008 7:50 PM |
| Posted By Wraithborne on 09/11/2008 8:23 AM Posted By Cthulhufnord on 09/10/2008 2:29 PM Amusing....... given the unfortunate and fraudulent Statanist scares of the 1980's I'm sure there's at least a few Pols with a negative veiw of D&D.  You mean you guys don't worship Satan  Oh please.... Devil worship is so Pedestrian and Boring...... 
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Lord_rock Underboss
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 Portland OR
 | | 09/24/2008 10:55 AM |
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 Fun Guy from Yuggoth Cthulhufnord Warlord
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 Umass Amherst Baby!
 | | 09/24/2008 1:45 PM |
| Nah, he's just a mid-boss after all. 
Posted By Lord_rock on 09/24/2008 10:55 AM Satan??? I thought it was Demogorgan...
| | Pathetic Earthlings. Hurling your bodies out into the void - without the slightest inkling of who or what is out here. If you had known anything about the true nature of the universe - anything at all - you would have hidden from it in terror. | |
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Knight of Argenis Corim Danex Warlord
 6809 Posts



 West Valley City, Utah
 | | 09/24/2008 2:52 PM |
| | So, nobody knows where the full text of Mr Goldfarb's response is? | | "Look to God and live." Alma 37:47 Vindicated Champ of Hippogriff (Arcadian Hippogriff) and Uncommon Horse | |
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 Faragdar the Wise Commander
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 Albuquerque, NM, USA
 | | 09/25/2008 9:47 AM |
| Posted By Zagnar on 09/09/2008 5:40 PM People who don't know what they are talking about are better off just keeping their mouths shut.
Unfortunately, I think that's often not the case. It seems to me that plenty of people get ahead by spouting nonsense, empty or contradictory messages, and double-speak to cover up the fact that they don't actually know what they are talking about. I'm sure the *rest* of us would be better off if they would just shut up, though.
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The_Entropic_Wizard Sneak
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 St Paul, MN
 | | 09/30/2008 12:51 AM |
| All political silliness aside (and for the most part, most of the politics out there are incredibly silly...), this was some of the funniest stuff I've read in quite a while.
D&D and politics.. a match made in Gehenna. | | VINDICATED Champion of the Kruthik Hivemaster! (DW 50/60) Adorable?? You wouldn't know 'adorable' if it ripped your throat out with it's teeth!! | |
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Jesus_marley Skirmisher
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 | | 10/02/2008 9:23 AM |
| It's Mr. Goldfarb's fault that Blackleaf died.
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Knight of Argenis Corim Danex Warlord
 6809 Posts



 West Valley City, Utah
 | | 10/03/2008 8:03 AM |
| | Ok, so does anyone have a link to Goldfarb's reply to WotC? I have asked at least three times already and nobody has responded yet. | | "Look to God and live." Alma 37:47 Vindicated Champ of Hippogriff (Arcadian Hippogriff) and Uncommon Horse | |
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