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07/18/2007 11:38 AM  
Guess the Large Green Dragon will be the uncommon of the rares...


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07/18/2007 11:56 AM  
The existence of the Blue and Black didn't drive down the value of the Dragoneye Black or the Deathknell Blue. So, I'm not worried about the DQ Green's value being affected.

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07/18/2007 12:19 PM  
You know, I really can't see paying 20 bucks for 5 minis. Especially not when I already have one of those minis. That's Ludacris.
I guess they're trying to entice newcomers.

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07/18/2007 1:11 PM  
According to Lidda in the chat window, the blister pack with have a new sculpt of the Large Green Dragon, she *thinks* it may have new stats, but was not sure, and the two-player scenario is something like the LGD + the new Drow versus the PC "good guys".

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07/18/2007 1:22 PM  
Posted By ckissee on 07/18/2007 1:11 PM
According to Lidda in the chat window, the blister pack with have a new sculpt of the Large Green Dragon, she *thinks* it may have new stats, but was not sure, and the two-player scenario is something like the LGD + the new Drow versus the PC "good guys".

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07/18/2007 1:26 PM  
Wow, 3 figs vs a dragon and a drow... must be one sucky dragon or 3 really good pc types.


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07/18/2007 1:42 PM  
Posted By Vrecknidj on 07/17/2007 8:41 PM
I hope a WotC insider hops on this thread.
It turns out most of this info, but not all, is correct. Here are the product details:

Release date: April 4, 2008
US MSRP: $14.99
Contents:
   5 non-random minis
   Stat cards
   2 double-sided battle maps
   Rulebook
   d20 w/ custom pip (not a spindown)

Other good to know stuff: 
   The five minis are exclusive to the starter. They will not be included in the randomized boosters being simultaneously released. 
   The minis and d20 will be fully visible through a clear blister.

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07/18/2007 1:44 PM  
Thanks for the clarification, lidda!

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07/18/2007 1:54 PM  
does this mean for the next set that everyone will have the chance to have a large green dragon as a figure in pre-release as more than likely it will be a starter and 1-2 boosters? very cool news on the new dragon sculpt

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07/18/2007 2:04 PM  
Yay! (mostly)


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07/18/2007 2:15 PM  
Personaly I like this set up. I look forward to seeing it come out.

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07/18/2007 2:26 PM  
Posted By lurkinglidda on 07/18/2007 1:42 PM
Posted By Vrecknidj on 07/17/2007 8:41 PM
I hope a WotC insider hops on this thread.
It turns out most of this info, but not all, is correct. Here are the product details:

Release date: April 4, 2008
US MSRP: $14.99
Contents:
   5 non-random minis
   Stat cards
   2 double-sided battle maps
   Rulebook
   d20 w/ custom pip (not a spindown)

Other good to know stuff: 
   The five minis are exclusive to the starter. They will not be included in the randomized boosters being simultaneously released. 
   The minis and d20 will be fully visible through a clear blister.


This completely changes my opinion. Thanks!!

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07/18/2007 2:29 PM  
Posted By lurkinglidda on 07/18/2007 1:42 PM
   The five minis are exclusive to the starter. They will not be included in the randomized boosters being simultaneously released. 
This part makes me the MOST pleased.

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07/18/2007 2:33 PM  
I think the only part that "worries" me is the fact that it's a blister pack. I usually associate blister packs with cheap $0.88 toys at WalMart.

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07/18/2007 2:45 PM  
Posted By lurkinglidda on 07/18/2007 1:42 PM
Posted By Vrecknidj on 07/17/2007 8:41 PM
I hope a WotC insider hops on this thread.
It turns out most of this info, but not all, is correct. Here are the product details:

Release date: April 4, 2008
US MSRP: $14.99
Contents:
   5 non-random minis
   Stat cards
   2 double-sided battle maps
   Rulebook
   d20 w/ custom pip (not a spindown)

Other good to know stuff: 
   The five minis are exclusive to the starter. They will not be included in the randomized boosters being simultaneously released. 
   The minis and d20 will be fully visible through a clear blister.


Exclusive to the starter...interesting.Thanks for the info!

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07/18/2007 2:49 PM  
Even better. Thanks, Lidda, for the clarification. $20 was okay. $15 is fantastic. That's a lot of bang for the buck.

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07/18/2007 2:49 PM  
It sounds like the LGD will be the same one from WoTDQ, just with a diffrent sculpt. They dont do 2 figures with exactly the same name but with diffrent stats.


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07/18/2007 2:56 PM  
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07/18/2007 3:12 PM  
Posted By lurkinglidda on 07/18/2007 1:42 PM

US MSRP: $14.99



I 'm glad to see the price on the starter set go down so that it's effectively at the price of the Fantastic Locations products.

Hopefully this turns out to be a cost efficient way to distribute new maps.


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07/18/2007 4:20 PM  
I would assume that the packaging will be very similar to the new Star Wars minis starter packaging. I saw these at a Waldenbooks in the mall, although Amazon says they aren't available until 7/24... then again, this is the same store that I picked up a case of harbinger boosters off the shelf only two years ago... they have time traveling distributors or something.


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07/18/2007 5:09 PM  
This is really cool! Nice figures, great price, revised rules and new maps.

Personally I always thought that non-random figures was the way to do starter sets, makes it much easier on the new players, and new players are always a good thing for the game, so the less done to intimidate and frighten them off the better off the game, and all of us, will be.

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07/18/2007 5:19 PM  

I'm happy to see that:

 

1.  The 5 minis will not be included in the actual set.  No chance of getting doubles that way (unless you buy multiple starters of course).

2.  The Large Green Dragon will be a resculpt.

3.  It is $14.99 and not $19.99.

 

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07/18/2007 5:34 PM  
Posted By lurkinglidda on 07/18/2007 1:42 PM
Posted By Vrecknidj on 07/17/2007 8:41 PM
I hope a WotC insider hops on this thread.
It turns out most of this info, but not all, is correct. Here are the product details:

Release date: April 4, 2008
US MSRP: $14.99
Contents:
   5 non-random minis
   Stat cards
   2 double-sided battle maps
   Rulebook
   d20 w/ custom pip (not a spindown)

Other good to know stuff: 
   The five minis are exclusive to the starter. They will not be included in the randomized boosters being simultaneously released. 
   The minis and d20 will be fully visible through a clear blister.

I like the last part about the minis being exclusive to the starter.  I'll be getting at least one for sure.

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07/18/2007 8:09 PM  

Does this also then signal a major shift in the release of new sets, as we have had a first weekend of March release the past two years.  We've been March, July, November for scheduling for a long time.  This would signal a change to that scheduling, can you shed any light on the Lidda?

 

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07/18/2007 8:16 PM  
Posted By LCS on 07/18/2007 3:12 PM

I 'm glad to see the price on the starter set go down so that it's effectively at the price of the Fantastic Locations products.

Hopefully this turns out to be a cost efficient way to distribute new maps.
Ditto and ditto. Fantastic Locations were a bit overcosted for what they offered (two maps and less-than-satisfactorily-written mods). Maps + minis (assuming that the "encounters" insert is removed) is a really nice shift in the product.

Now I'm all curious if the Large Green is a different sculpt or just a different-based DQ LGD...

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Posted By Olaf the Stout on 07/18/2007 5:19 PM

I'm happy to see that:

 

1.  The 5 minis will not be included in the actual set.  No chance of getting doubles that way (unless you buy multiple starters of course).

2.  The Large Green Dragon will be a resculpt.

3.  It is $14.99 and not $19.99.

 

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Pretty much a ditto for me, thanks for the clarification Lidda!

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07/19/2007 1:20 AM  
That's all very nice. I am going to buy, I guess, if the maps are new. Otherwise only if mine get damaged beyond repair.

Looking forward to the resculpt. I hope it won't be looking at its bottom

I always missed some figs with the FL; this is very nice.

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07/19/2007 1:46 AM  
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07/19/2007 2:27 AM  
Posted By Thousandsofminis on 07/18/2007 8:09 PM

Does this also then signal a major shift in the release of new sets, as we have had a first weekend of March release the past two years.  We've been March, July, November for scheduling for a long time.  This would signal a change to that scheduling, can you shed any light on the Lidda?

This is the bit that concerns me. I didn't like the shift from 3 months between sets to 4 months. If this is going to shift to 5 months, I'm going to find it hard to keep my interest going between releases.

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07/19/2007 3:03 AM  
Posted By lurkinglidda on 07/18/2007 1:42 PM

Other good to know stuff: 
   The five minis are exclusive to the starter. They will not be included in the randomized boosters being simultaneously released. 
   The minis and d20 will be fully visible through a clear blister.

Hmm. That's great news for the skirmishers, but for RPG-only buyers, $14.99 for just five minis  that you can't get by any other means (plus lots of stuff you don't want) isn't great. Better than the previously listed $19.99, of course.

I suppose that since they are non-random, if the scultps turn out to be very usable that isn't too bad a deal...

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07/19/2007 4:28 AM  
Posted By Vrecknidj on 07/17/2007 8:41 PM
New starter = good
Non-random = questionable
New rules = questionable (hopefully good, maybe line templates?)
Release date = weird

Maybe Dungeons of Dread will come out in March, like usual, and then the blister starter will come out in April? I hope a WotC insider hops on this thread.

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07/19/2007 4:39 AM  
Posted By LCS on 07/18/2007 3:12 PM
Posted By lurkinglidda on 07/18/2007 1:42 PM

US MSRP: $14.99



I 'm glad to see the price on the starter set go down so that it's effectively at the price of the Fantastic Locations products.

Hopefully this turns out to be a cost efficient way to distribute new maps.


Good point there.

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07/19/2007 5:57 AM  
Thanks for posting Lidda. I have another question. You said

"Release date: April 4, 2008 ... The five minis are exclusive to the starter. They will not be included in the randomized boosters being simultaneously released."

Does this alter the release schedule? I thought that, typically, the spring set of randomized boosters came out in March, with a pre-release at D&D Experience.

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07/19/2007 9:27 AM  

This sounds all good to me.  We need new distribution of maps, we need a new rulebook, the unique-to-product minis sound good.

I'm reserving judgement until I've seen the product, but I gotta say, I'm eagerly anticipating it.


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07/19/2007 3:06 PM  
Posted By Vrecknidj on 07/19/2007 5:57 AM

Does this alter the release schedule? I thought that, typically, the spring set of randomized boosters came out in March, with a pre-release at D&D Experience.

Wasn't there a time this year when we had several product lines releasing new sets around the same time?  This one month could space things out better for collectors.


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Posted By Arandae on 07/19/2007 3:03 AM
Posted By lurkinglidda on 07/18/2007 1:42 PM

Other good to know stuff: 
   The five minis are exclusive to the starter. They will not be included in the randomized boosters being simultaneously released. 
   The minis and d20 will be fully visible through a clear blister.

Hmm. That's great news for the skirmishers, but for RPG-only buyers, $14.99 for just five minis  that you can't get by any other means (plus lots of stuff you don't want) isn't great. Better than the previously listed $19.99, of course.
As an RPG-only buyer (haven't skirmished in a VERY long time) I disagree. $14.99 for four maps AND five miniatures is a bargain. They're even including a free d20 (not that I need more...). I've been paying $15 for four maps (and some largely useless paper).

Replacing the Fantastic Locations "role-playing" insert in favor of miniatures (at the same price point) is a HUGE benefit to RPG-only buyers. A fine improvement on the product line and a wise marketing decision.


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07/19/2007 5:51 PM  
Just the minis alone seem worth the the price. If you forget the extras, and value each humanoid at $1 each, you'd be paying $10 for a dragon. That's a bargain. Now add maps, rules, dice. It's a steal on paper.

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07/24/2007 3:38 PM  
Looks like an excelent product. Cool !

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07/25/2007 7:12 AM  
Posted By gss_000 on 07/18/2007 11:02 AM
Posted By ShadowLord XT on 07/18/2007 5:57 AM
I think the Green Dragon is just another example of Wizards trying to get more money (Like bringing out 4th edition). As it has been said, people really wanted them.
jacksonm is right, they did release a red dragon in blood war. It didn't fair as well as the Large Green in sales (I'm pretty sure). Wizards must have seen that. Along with the fact that people payed good money to get them, they re-released it. Just like the Drow Outpost map.

A few things: 4th ed, not even announced, many years away.

WOTC wanting to make money:  Of course they do.  Every new set is them trying to get more money.

WOTC and individual singles:  they don't care in terms of sales of a single fig. Since they sell by the booster, what an individual piece does on a secondary market they are not involved with is imaterial.

*rant on, not directed at anyone* Here, with what people are saying, is a perfect example of customers not knowing what they want.  If you look at a lot of what has been said over time people have been looking for 1) a new starter, 2) more dragons, 3) non-random minis.  Maybe it's not the same people commenting here, but people have been asking for these things.  They give what people say they want and people aren't happy.  No one can ever win with anything new.  *rant off*

Sorry about that.  Just I've heard similar sentiments in a lot of different areas recently and I needed to vent.

Anyways, for me, I can see why the price and the lack of figs.  Sure, I'd like it is it was a little cheaper, but I don't think this is a bad idea or a price.  This model has worked for other lines, and I think it is a great one for a starter.  It seems set up for a better 1 on 1 play (dragon vs everyone else) than the other starters so far, plus it would encourage new players and collectors.  I think everything here is going to be new in terms of sculpt. But with it being almost a year away we'll have to wait to see what this turns into.

Thanks for posting that.  You stated my feelings on the matter exactly and much more politely than I would have manged

As for this Starter Set I don't think a Large Green is a bad choice at all.  Since the LGD was in a huge set it made it very difficult to get more than one of unless you were willing to buy many, many boosters or go to the secondary market.  I would actually say this is a wise thing for WotC to do as now everyone can get a hold of a LGD relatively cheaply - I know I alway buy one of every new starter pack.  Oh and for those who whine about a mounted dragon - tough.  They look cool and it's not like there isn't a precedent for dragons with riders....


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07/25/2007 7:26 AM  
I personally think that releasing a starter pack like this is a great way to do it. Good thinkin' WotC.

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