Knight of the
Round Table
Thenameless
Warlord
15942 Posts
    
The Fortress of Solitude
 | | 03 Jun 2008 01:07 AM | | I haven't yet noticed any white powder forming on my newer minis, but I'd like more people to chime in on this topic. | | | Over 290 successful online DDM trades. | |
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Llarbal
Sneak
53 Posts
| | 03 Jun 2008 02:38 AM | | I've noticed this for the first time several months ago, and I was reminded of it when I got a night Below mini that had this while it was still in it's bag. Most minis in Night Below have this problem, although the black dragon has it as well. I don't think it has a lot to do with storage, since there are several sets in one cupboard and almost all Night Below minis have it but almost none of other sets. One thing that might have an effect is ventilation (or lack of). One thought that just occurred to me is that maybe it isn't related directly to the plastic either, since it als accumulates on the paint albeit to a lesser extent. So what is it?
creatures in bags have it so it must be production process related. It gets worse over time so that suggests some sort of (chemical?) process is going on.
By the way, it DOES rub off. Not entirely, the plastic stays a bit greyish.
My best guess is that it is some kind of Primer related dust that in a closed environment settles on the minis, where due to color it is most obvious on the black bases. Note that this wouldn't be a very good thing...
Second best guess: substance used to clean the bases goes white after some time.
Completely wild guess related to the second guess: the kind of cleaner used is biodegradable and that is exactly what is happening, it's degrading.
edit: the reason I suspect the cleaner is that on some minis it seems to form patterns that resemble wipemarks | | | Proud member of the Bearded Devils | |
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Duke of Spoils
greyhaze
Warlord
10590 Posts
| | 03 Jun 2008 06:09 AM | | Nice analysis Llarbal. :) | | Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60,
Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
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Heavenstorm
Skirmisher
14 Posts
| | 03 Jun 2008 06:13 AM | | From the posts, it seems that NB is the prime suspect. Does anyone here have sealed NB minis? Being sealed gives them their own little ecosystem so if the powdery thing is apparent even in a sealed mini, then either poor plastic or a flaky flimsy undercoat would be the culprit ... If it isn't, then I would attribute the problem to external factors such as humidity/mold or a by-product of plastic friction/attrition.
I personally don't have that problem ........ yet. The worst I got was plastic warp due to sadistic glove compartment storage. | | | |
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Duke of Spoils
greyhaze
Warlord
10590 Posts
| | 03 Jun 2008 06:19 AM | | I just checked my night below trade stock, no white powder, but they are also not in baggies. | | Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60,
Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
"I sense a disturbance in the zing, as though one or two voices were joking around, but then were suddenly silenced." | |
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paladin72
Sneak
167 Posts
| | 03 Jun 2008 06:52 AM | | Posted By Heavenstorm on 06/03/2008 6:13 AM
I personally don't have that problem ........ yet. The worst I got was plastic warp due to sadistic glove compartment storage. You have to put yours in the glove compartment to get that?;) | | | “There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.” | |
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MarioCleanstuff
Warrior
331 Posts
San Diego, CA
| | 03 Jun 2008 10:20 AM | | I've got a few bagged NB minis, and none of mine display this problem. | | | Completed trades: Brenigin, desiderata, HockeyFan, MikeyChraal, Raland, GuJiaXian | |
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1625 Posts
| | 03 Jun 2008 11:24 AM | | Also, it does wash off. When I first noticed it and assumed it was dust, I did just that to a few minis, and the problem has not resurfaced with them. | | Owner of The Original Rust Monsters!
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paladin72
Sneak
167 Posts
| | 03 Jun 2008 11:49 AM | | Posted By Ridureyu on 06/03/2008 11:24 AM
Also, it does wash off. When I first noticed it and assumed it was dust, I did just that to a few minis, and the problem has not resurfaced with them. I washed my LBD yesterday and it did come off. However when comparing him to my other LBD's he's not quite as black now. I hope it doesn't come back. | | | “There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.” | |
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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
1304 Posts
San Jose, California
| | 03 Jun 2008 12:21 PM | | heh... Well, I stopped buying them after Angelfire. Recently, I've been trying to decide whether or not to sell the rest of my mini sets. Posted By Turboman on 05/31/2008 6:37 PM
"Don't buy them" fails to be a good argument when the company that makes the product puts it in a randomized sealed box. | | | |
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CM
Sneak
58 Posts
| | 03 Jun 2008 01:56 PM | | While I have occasionally seen some cyanoacrylate haze on glued-together figures (which wipes off easily), I have to say that I am not seeing any kind of dust developing on my figures, and they don't get any special treatment--just a toss in a shoebox.
I have seen some bases with satiny finishes and others with flat or glossy finishes, is that what you're talking about?
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6984 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 03 Jun 2008 03:43 PM | | Posted By CM on 06/03/2008 1:56 PM
I have seen some bases with satiny finishes and others with flat or glossy finishes, is that what you're talking about?
No. This is more of a greyish white powdery look. Not black at all--satiny, glossy, nor flat. That would be how they are supposed to look, I would think. | | "Look to God and live." Alma 37:47
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ScruffyRanger
Sergeant
410 Posts
Central Coast AUSTRALIA
| | 03 Jun 2008 06:32 PM | | I kinda like these type of threads... they can nearly convince me that WoTC give a toss about anything any of us say :) | | | They check in... but they don't check out! | |
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gausse
Sergeant
963 Posts
Wisconsin
| | 04 Jun 2008 12:05 PM | | Not to worry, that haze is just the excess lead leeching out. They are fine once you pop them in your mouth for a second. | | 270+ Trades Completed (194 maxminis | 50 wizards | 29 hordelings)
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Duke of Spoils
greyhaze
Warlord
10590 Posts
| | 04 Jun 2008 12:28 PM | | Nuthin like poppin a little haze in u'r mouth... | | Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60,
Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
"I sense a disturbance in the zing, as though one or two voices were joking around, but then were suddenly silenced." | |
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Master of the
Awesome Sauce
Teflon Jeff
Warlord
8450 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 04 Jun 2008 12:45 PM | | Posted By greyhaze on 06/04/2008 12:28 PM
Nuthin like poppin a little haze in u'r mouth... I didn't know your dating was going so well. Do we have an chemists around who might be able to figure this out? I'm digging out my NB minis to check when I get home. | | Official Delegate, Wizards of the Coast
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kniterangr
Warrior
288 Posts
| | 04 Jun 2008 12:59 PM | | I have not checked to see if my minis are affected by this but I do recall that Wizards had to change their formula to meet EU standards. That change may be the cause of this. It may have taken a set to figure out the formula correctly. | | | | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3657 Posts
Netherlands
| | 05 Jun 2008 07:56 AM | | Almost all my NB minis do have this problem, it rubs off, but you have to rub hard. And it's hardly possible to get off the hard to reach areas. In my experience it's not only the bases, but in some cases the entire minis, my Verdant Reavers are the worst. They turned from brown to grey.
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Fun Guy from Yuggoth
Cthulhufnord
Warlord
11670 Posts
Umass Amherst Baby!
| | 05 Jun 2008 08:06 AM | | Not all of my Night Below minis are effected. Some are slightly dusty, others are very dusty.
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MarioCleanstuff
Warrior
331 Posts
San Diego, CA
| | 05 Jun 2008 08:27 AM | | Posted By Dordledum on 06/05/2008 7:56 AM
my Verdant Reavers are the worst. They turned from brown to grey.
D. My Verdant Reavers were all dead-wood-gray the moment I got them. I don't recall them ever being brown. They appear to also be that gray color in the gallery. | | | Completed trades: Brenigin, desiderata, HockeyFan, MikeyChraal, Raland, GuJiaXian | |
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Master of the
Awesome Sauce
Teflon Jeff
Warlord
8450 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 05 Jun 2008 09:18 AM | | Posted By MarioCleanstuff on 06/05/2008 8:27 AM Posted By Dordledum on 06/05/2008 7:56 AM
my Verdant Reavers are the worst. They turned from brown to grey.
D. My Verdant Reavers were all dead-wood-gray the moment I got them. I don't recall them ever being brown. They appear to also be that gray color in the gallery. Ditto, mine were all a gray ashy color. | | Official Delegate, Wizards of the Coast
Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
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Man of Renown
Wraithborne
Warlord
6031 Posts
Lortab Land
| | 05 Jun 2008 10:32 AM | | Posted By Teflon Jeff on 06/05/2008 9:18 AM Posted By MarioCleanstuff on 06/05/2008 8:27 AM Posted By Dordledum on 06/05/2008 7:56 AM
my Verdant Reavers are the worst. They turned from brown to grey.
D. My Verdant Reavers were all dead-wood-gray the moment I got them. I don't recall them ever being brown. They appear to also be that gray color in the gallery. Ditto, mine were all a gray ashy color.
Mine too and Lord knows I had enough of 'em. | | Posted By Wraithborne on 04/27/2008 7:54 PM
Yup, I'm a regular blasphemator of the English Lanuage. | |
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millerhero
Sneak
52 Posts
Raleigh NC
| | 05 Jun 2008 10:44 AM | | My miniatures from the newer sets also develop the white haze after being stored in plastic (sort of air tight) containers for a while. | | Have/Want List
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Most Edumacated
zenthrus
Warlord
5140 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 05 Jun 2008 10:47 AM | | While the plastic may be decreasing in quality, I can assure you the glue is not. Just had an hour-long struggle with an Oni to remove its arms. The glue nearly won  I really wish they'd go back to the old base formula, though. The new bases are too soft and tend to warp far too easily. | | Knight Warlord a.k.a. Commander (#32) in only 6 months. Where's my pie?
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Master of the
Awesome Sauce
Teflon Jeff
Warlord
8450 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 05 Jun 2008 11:59 AM | | Posted By zenthrus on 06/05/2008 10:47 AM While the plastic may be decreasing in quality, I can assure you the glue is not. Just had an hour-long struggle with an Oni to remove its arms. The glue nearly won  I really wish they'd go back to the old base formula, though. The new bases are too soft and tend to warp far too easily. Completely agree there. I didn't get any warped bases till Marut... | | Official Delegate, Wizards of the Coast
Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
"Rejoice, for bad things are about to happen." | |
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paladin72
Sneak
167 Posts
| | 05 Jun 2008 12:12 PM | | The one I really had problems with was the Ogre War Hulk. I pulled 3 or 4 and they were all warped badly.
I did finally get a couple to stay semi flat, but the bases are far from round. | | | “There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.” | |
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DreamstalkerWolf
Skirmisher
42 Posts
| | 12 Jun 2008 05:49 PM | | Posted By Corim Danex on 06/03/2008 3:43 PM Posted By CM on 06/03/2008 1:56 PM
I have seen some bases with satiny finishes and others with flat or glossy finishes, is that what you're talking about?
No. This is more of a greyish white powdery look. Not black at all--satiny, glossy, nor flat. That would be how they are supposed to look, I would think. I found that on a few of my NB minis, not all of them though. Storage method is less than ideal; plastic box and my apartment has been warmer than usual the past few days. It wiped right off, nothing came off on my fingers like it would if it were dust. | | | |
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6984 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 13 Jun 2008 09:19 AM | | Yeah, it sort of wipes off. But not very well from the cracks. | | "Look to God and live." Alma 37:47
Vindicated Champ of Hippogriff (Arcadian Hippogriff) and Uncommon Horse | |
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vanrulzz
Commander
2802 Posts
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| | 13 Jun 2008 10:48 AM | | mine are stored on shelves and i have never had the powdery stuff on mine. just saying. | | | |
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DreamstalkerWolf
Skirmisher
42 Posts
| | 13 Jun 2008 10:51 AM | | Yeah, exposure to air seems to be a factor. Mine that are on an open shelf don't have the gray stuff.
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