Dordledum
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 | | 17 Apr 2009 03:11 AM | | Dangerous Delves Preview 1 by Peter Lee
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mi/2009041704/17/2009
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- one visible figure, always Large
- one rare figure, about half are Large
- one medium or small uncommon miniature
- two common miniatures
We've worked to make it much easier to collect a set. Dangerous Delves contains 40 different miniatures, with 16 rares, 8 uncommon, 8 visible, and 8 common miniatures in the set. A case of miniatures has 8 boosters, and you'll get one of each visible figure in a case. This means collectors won't be stuck with 6 or 8 common miniatures for each rare. The ratio is closer to 1 rare for every 4 different commons. We've also allocated more paint steps. The visible figures, such as the Cyclops Crusher, are as available as the uncommon miniatures, but these large figures have paint jobs that you would expect on a rare. All of the miniatures in the box have an increased number of paint steps, resulting in approximately 50% more steps than the previous sets. The creatures included in Dangerous Delves are usually found in the Monster Manuals. While the majority of Dangerous Delves figures are found in the first Monster Manual, you'll find some creatures from Monster Manual 2, the Eberron Campaign Guide, and Open Grave. We're trying to match the rarity of a figure to the creature's role. While this distribution can't be perfect because of miniature production timelines and restrictions, the aim is to have soldiers, brutes, minions, and skirmishers -- creatures you often want in quantity -- to be more common, while solo and elite monsters will most likely be rare. We're also designing sets so that the creatures in them fit thematically in an encounter. A couple of common Orc Terrorblades and a rare Orc Eye of Gruumsh make a great basis for an orc encounter, and you can always round out a fun encounter with an uncommon Arbalester or two. Finally, there are those creatures and races that are always useful. The uncommon Gnoll Huntmaster is an important part of any gnoll encounter, and we want new DMs to have access to such favorites. Over the next couple of weeks, we'll show off more pieces from Dangerous Delves. Keep checking in for new updates! |
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Dordledum
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 | | 17 Apr 2009 03:12 AM | | Ok, interesting.
I actually like the new Gnoll look, but I'm not sure I'd categorize it as a Gnoll. This is more a Leopardman-thing. Useful, but not as a Gnoll.
The Cyclops is still a pretty mini, thumbs up!
The Orcs look good and usefull as well. Not as good as the Orcs back in the Harbinger-Aberrations days, but still pretty good. Better than those we got in the last few sets at least.
That Arbalester is a must have! I want 8 at least!
Looks like this preview is the contents of a single booster, which would make the Arbalester a common as well. I like it!
if these are no paint masters I must say I do appreciate the improved quality, especially of the (un)commons!
Cool preview!!!
If the next few previews show the same quality, I might order a third case!
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 | | 17 Apr 2009 04:00 AM | | id be happy with that booster. i love the orcs and Arbalester. The hyena gnoll looks a little odd | | The ROCK layeth the smacketh down. Long live Farscape Vindicated-CHAMPION of the INTELLECT DEVOURER i will change my avatar when martin completes dances with dragons | |
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Dordledum
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 | | 17 Apr 2009 04:27 AM | | just re-read it and the arbalester is uncommon, that's a pity.... | | Member of the Bearded Devils Champion of the Huge Spider (WotDQ 46/60), A New Umber Hulk (DoDe 57/60), and the Orog Fighter! | |
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berus316
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 | | 17 Apr 2009 05:33 AM | | LIke the cyclops...
kinda whatever on the orcs, I already have better ones but I'll take a couple for horde like variety.
Gnoll isn't very gnolly Arbalester could be of use | | Champion of the Aspect of Gruumsh Nemesis of Warforged, Tielfings, Dragonborn and of course Gnomes References http://maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12304 H/W List http://www.maxminis.com/hw_list.asp?user=berus316 | |
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greyhaze
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 | | 17 Apr 2009 08:14 AM | | cut/paste
My impressions:
Arbalester - Sweet. I'd like x2-4
Cyclops - Very good. The club looks a little toy like on the woodgrains, minor complaint. x2
Gnoll Huntmaster - My first blush was I hated it - outright hated it. It looks cartoonish and toylike in sculpt, detail in equipment and paint... I've had time to look it over, and although my opinion hasn't changed much, I don't loathe it, I just feel disdain. This is not good enough to compare to the other 2 Gnoll Archers we've already gotten. x0
Orc Eye of Gruumsh - It's okay, there is something odd about the proportions (head too small, arms kinda short for an orc), but finally an armored sword and board orc, might get x1.
Orc Terrorblade - Why do I feel like this guy, by his name, should be a transformer? Ok, this Common looks awesome. Excellent job. x8 | | Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60, Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger. "I sense a disturbance in the zing, as though one or two voices were joking around, but then were suddenly silenced." | |
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yack
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Gatineau Canada
 | | 17 Apr 2009 09:39 AM | | Arbalester - bleh do not like non charcter minis
Cyclops - semi cool
Goll Huntmaster - not a big fan of the gnoll. I do not like the colour as it does not match the past ones. Is more hyena maybe but it is too late in the game for change.
Orc Eye- I like it
Orc Terrorblade - great common orc.
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Man of Renown
Wraithborne
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Lortab Land
 | | 17 Apr 2009 10:03 AM | | Cyclops- My favorite of the ones they've made. I'll take 6 or so.
Arbalester- I like it and I'll be getting several.
Orc Eye and Terrorblade- I've never liked WotC's take on Orcs and these are no exception. Paint wise they seem to be good quality, but Orcs are green with pig snouts.
Gnoll Huntmaster- I don't know what this is supposed to be, but it looks nothing like a Gnoll. Gnoll minis have gotten progressively worse over the last several sets. I really wish they'd knock another one out of the park like the Gnoll Sergeant in GoL, but I don't see it happening. | | Posted By Wraithborne on 04/27/2008 7:54 PM Yup, I'm a regular blasphemator of the English Lanuage. | |
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Cthulhufnord
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 | | 17 Apr 2009 10:15 AM | | Arbalester: an animated crossbow eh? It could be used to represent traps in a dungeon, also it doesn't look half bad.Â
Cyclops: Hey, looks like they are doing much better on the sculpts for these guys. The first one we had with the spear was horrible. This one looks quite good by comparison.
Gnoll Huntmaster:Â I'm not sure what I think of this one yet, it doesn't look too much like a Hyena man.
Orc Eye of Gruumsh: I've got the original one, this new one can't compete. Orc Terrorblade: How about that, a 4th edition Orc minature that doesn't look like #$%&. I'm very happy they are getting better again. It would be great to see the same quality of mini from three or four sets ago.
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Nyarlathotep333
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Alaska
 | | 17 Apr 2009 02:07 PM | | Cyclops - love the mini, great detail on the armor and face...if it looks half as good as the picture shows it will still be a nice looking mini imho. That being said, I'd take 4 - one or two for set/rpg and a couple to mod. I'm not certain why there have been so many different cylops minis lately, but if I ever run a scenario around them I'm set!
Orc Eye of Gruumsh - a nice looking mini. Too bad it is rare. I would have liked several of these but as a rare it won't be worth trading for that many. I'll try for 2 most likely. As much as this one looks good, I do prefer the DE version.
Orc Terrorblade - Nice! An orc with a SCIMITAR! A great choice of weapons to set him apart from the other orcs. As a common I'll probably want at least 4-6 of him.
Gnoll Huntmaster - Every set seems to have a 'wrackspawn' and this looks to be it. It does look more feline and less canine to me. It could look better in-hand though. For now, only 1 but possibly more as it looks sturdier in the feet/ankles than some of the other gnolls.
Arbalester - very nice, and uncommon too! This will make a great proxy for siege scenerios, dungeon traps, and of course if I ever use the critter in my RPG. We had a scenario recently with a couple ballistae(plural sp?). I'd gladly take 4 of these for my collection, possibly more.
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Cthulhufnord
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 | | 17 Apr 2009 04:40 PM | | I think I'll end up using the Gnoll as a Flind actually.
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Vrecknidj
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 | | 17 Apr 2009 04:49 PM | | Okay, I haven't played 4e that much. But, based on the minis since Desert of Desolation, I'd say we can expect a handful of modules with armies of Cyclopses.
What the hell?
I mean, I like the rather mythic cyclops, I think the one-eyed giant is a kinda cool monster. But, enough already.
Dave | | Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing; My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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Temperance
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 | | 17 Apr 2009 05:05 PM | | I mean, I like the rather mythic cyclops, I think the one-eyed giant is a kinda cool monster. But, enough already.
I reserve the right to eventually do a controller/artillery cyclops, but that wouldn't be until 2010. This is it for a little while. | | D&D Miniatures Lead Designer R&D, Wizards of the Coast | |
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Almacov
Sneak

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Canada
 | | 17 Apr 2009 05:24 PM | | Cyclops - Fantastic. The clearer a look I get at this one the better I feel about it. Definitely makes me want to run more encounters with them, and I'm glad I can easily get duplicates. Great sculpt & paint.
Orc Eye of Gruumsh - It's a nice looking orc sculpt, and I wouldn't mind pulling one, but it's not a rare I'd ever actively look for.
Orc Terrorblade - Excellent. Another nice common orc sculpt, and definitely one I wouldn't mind a few of.
Arbalester - This piece has great utility, and I've been looking forward to seeing the sculpt since finding out it was on the list. Not disappointed. This is one I'm sure to make use of, and I almost wish it were common.
Gnoll Huntmaster - This piece is utterly disgusting to me. Mostly because I love gnolls, and I'd been hoping this would be another decent one to add to the pack. As it is though, it's pretty disgraceful. The sculpt is really poor, and it just doesn't look like a gnoll. The only positive thing I can say about it is that the paint application isn't bad (though the colours are...).
While I wish the gnoll had turned out to be something I'd use at my table, 4 out of 5 is not bad, and the ones I like have me excited to buy a case. | | | |
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VFults
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 | | 17 Apr 2009 05:25 PM | | Nice preview! The cyclops and the orcs are must haves. I can use the ballista thingee as dungeon dressing. The only off mini is the gnoll; the sculpt's proportions are a bit off and, while I didn't like the all-brown paint jobs of the previous gnolls, this paint job doesn't do anything for me either. Regards, V | | | | |
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Mjollnir
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 | | 17 Apr 2009 05:25 PM | | I like the Cyclops. I prefered the old Eye of Gruumsh. Not much interest in the others, either. | | Champion of the Molydeus Vindicated Blood War Called Shot: Cornugon (Horned Devil) Icons Called Shot: Tarrasque Vindicated Dungeon of Dread Called Shot: Mind Flayer Lords of Madness Called Shot: Elder Blue Dragon
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Corim Danex
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West Valley City, Utah
 | | 17 Apr 2009 09:55 PM | | Cyclops is looking pretty good. The best thing about the cyclops is how consistent he is with the previous ones.
Orc Eye of Gruumsh is a very nice orc. I like him more than Obould. I don't think of him specifically as an Eye of Gruumsh like the last one, so I am not going to compare them. He's just a well done orc to me.
Orc Terrorblade is looking like it might be an excellent common orc. I like him far more than several of the orcs that have been made--as long as his legs vs. torso ratio is not as bad as this image is making me think.
Two orcs in general--I much prefer the build/structure/size of these than the gorilla oversize of the early orcs and the wild variety of many since then. So these appear to be superb orcs. Nice work, P.Lee.
Gnoll Huntmaster--I'm not sure what it is. It doesn't look like a gnoll to me. Opinion in bizarre limbo indefinitely.
Arbalester--I'm not sure what I think at this point. I might like them quite a bit. Still deciding. For what was intended, it looks excellent. Yeah, it's likely I will like them quite a bit. | | "Look to God and live." Alma 37:47 Vindicated Champ of Hippogriff (Arcadian Hippogriff) and Uncommon Horse | |
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Dordledum
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 | | 18 Apr 2009 12:12 AM | | Posted By Nyarlathotep333 on 04/17/2009 2:07 PM Orc Terrorblade - Nice! An orc with a SCIMITAR! A great choice of weapons to set him apart from the other orcs. As a common I'll probably want at least 4-6 of him.
you're being sarcastic right? orc warrior, orc sergeant, orc raider, orc wolf shaman: all scimitars D. | | Member of the Bearded Devils Champion of the Huge Spider (WotDQ 46/60), A New Umber Hulk (DoDe 57/60), and the Orog Fighter! | |
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Vrecknidj
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 | | 18 Apr 2009 06:01 AM | | Posted By Temperance on 04/17/2009 5:05 PM I mean, I like the rather mythic cyclops, I think the one-eyed giant is a kinda cool monster. But, enough already.
I reserve the right to eventually do a controller/artillery cyclops, but that wouldn't be until 2010. This is it for a little while. That's a relief. Thanks Peter. For what it's worth, I suppose if we're going to have enough of these guys to form their own band, it does makes sense to have a controller/artillery variant. Oh, and thanks for the hint about 2010... Dave | | Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing; My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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Vrecknidj
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 | | 18 Apr 2009 06:05 AM | | The new Orc Eye of Gruumsh looks a little like a hybrid from the old Orc Sergeant. I wonder if the Guild will make this guy into a champion.
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portermj
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 | | 18 Apr 2009 07:11 AM | | Posted By Temperance on 04/17/2009 5:05 PM I mean, I like the rather mythic cyclops, I think the one-eyed giant is a kinda cool monster. But, enough already.
I reserve the right to eventually do a controller/artillery cyclops, but that wouldn't be until 2010. This is it for a little while. The one in the preview looks pretty sharp. I like that it, and the others, don't appear to have any unpainted areas (such as the Black Armor on the Cyclops and the Hewer). It is good to hear more paint steps have been added, that was one of my biggest dislikes about recents sets. | | | http://mporternerdvana.blogspot.com/ | |
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greyhaze
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 | | 18 Apr 2009 08:06 AM | | Posted By Temperance on 04/17/2009 5:05 PM I reserve the right to eventually do a controller/artillery cyclops, but that wouldn't be until 2010. This is it for a little while. Any hints about the 2010 set's name? | | Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60, Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger. "I sense a disturbance in the zing, as though one or two voices were joking around, but then were suddenly silenced." | |
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Ghendar
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"I mean c'mon, even evil has to poop."
 | | 18 Apr 2009 11:12 AM | | Posted By greyhaze on 04/18/2009 8:06 AM Posted By Temperance on 04/17/2009 5:05 PM I reserve the right to eventually do a controller/artillery cyclops, but that wouldn't be until 2010. This is it for a little while. Any hints about the 2010 set's name? Something with "cyclop" in the title. | | | WotC has plenty of people all too willing to tell them how wonderful they are. I'm not one of those people. | |
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Corim Danex
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West Valley City, Utah
 | | 18 Apr 2009 07:17 PM | | Posted By Nyarlathotep333 on 04/17/2009 2:07 PM
Orc Terrorblade - Nice! An orc with a SCIMITAR! A great choice of weapons to set him apart from the other orcs. As a common I'll probably want at least 4-6 of him.
Since he's 2-handing it, looks more like a falchion to me. | | "Look to God and live." Alma 37:47 Vindicated Champ of Hippogriff (Arcadian Hippogriff) and Uncommon Horse | |
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Corim Danex
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West Valley City, Utah
 | | 18 Apr 2009 07:18 PM | | Posted By greyhaze on 04/17/2009 8:14 AM
Gnoll Huntmaster - My first blush was I hated it - outright hated it. It looks cartoonish and toylike in sculpt, detail in equipment and paint... I've had time to look it over, and although my opinion hasn't changed much, I don't loathe it, I just feel disdain. This is not good enough to compare to the other 2 Gnoll Archers we've already gotten. x0
What is up with all the gnoll archers, anyway? Are gnolls famous for archery or something? | | "Look to God and live." Alma 37:47 Vindicated Champ of Hippogriff (Arcadian Hippogriff) and Uncommon Horse | |
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Dordledum
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 | | 18 Apr 2009 11:31 PM | | Posted By Corim Danex on 04/18/2009 7:18 PM Posted By greyhaze on 04/17/2009 8:14 AM
Gnoll Huntmaster - My first blush was I hated it - outright hated it. It looks cartoonish and toylike in sculpt, detail in equipment and paint... I've had time to look it over, and although my opinion hasn't changed much, I don't loathe it, I just feel disdain. This is not good enough to compare to the other 2 Gnoll Archers we've already gotten. x0
What is up with all the gnoll archers, anyway? Are gnolls famous for archery or something? they have favoured class ranger, don't they? D. | | Member of the Bearded Devils Champion of the Huge Spider (WotDQ 46/60), A New Umber Hulk (DoDe 57/60), and the Orog Fighter! | |
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Puggins
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 | | 20 Apr 2009 08:45 AM | | The Orcs are pretty nice, though not in the same league as the Harbinger/Dragoneye/Archfiends Orcs. I have tons of those, so these are not too useful.
The Arbalester is very nice.
The Gnoll is hideous- absolutely the worst gnoll they've ever produced, and gnolls have even been steadily improving.
The Cyclops is gorgeous. | | | References: http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7231 | |
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Puggins
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 | | 20 Apr 2009 08:47 AM | | Posted By Corim Danex on 04/18/2009 7:18 PM Posted By greyhaze on 04/17/2009 8:14 AM
Gnoll Huntmaster - My first blush was I hated it - outright hated it. It looks cartoonish and toylike in sculpt, detail in equipment and paint... I've had time to look it over, and although my opinion hasn't changed much, I don't loathe it, I just feel disdain. This is not good enough to compare to the other 2 Gnoll Archers we've already gotten. x0
What is up with all the gnoll archers, anyway? Are gnolls famous for archery or something? Their elite fighters tend to be rangers, and they happen to be more cunning than other humanoid types, which tends to promote long-range tactics. | | | References: http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7231 | |
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Avin
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 | | 20 Apr 2009 09:21 AM | | Yeah, but they cry in the dark when see their miniatures :) | | | |
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Dordledum
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Netherlands
 | | 21 Apr 2009 02:23 AM | | Posted By Puggins on 04/20/2009 8:45 AM
gnolls have even been steadily improving.
Excuse me? Improving? I emphatically disagree, the last three Gnolls were the Demon Adept, the Marauder and the Claw Fighter. (tried to link to the images, but failed, sigh). All were horrible! D. | | Member of the Bearded Devils Champion of the Huge Spider (WotDQ 46/60), A New Umber Hulk (DoDe 57/60), and the Orog Fighter! | |
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